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I refer to an earlier thread w.r.t. the review of Tipster accuracy petitioned by Fate87.

I think the accuracy of tipsters' accuracy can be validated by members who regularly visit threads and wish "good luck" and "congrats" to people. By adding some sort mechanism, perhaps these "Congratulators" can be given the "ability" to hit a button and auto-generate the words "good luck" and "Congratulations" before and after a match. 

A tipster's hit rate will thus be a ratio between the number of validated "congrats" versus number of validated "good luck". 


For example, if a Tipster receives 5 congrats over 10 good lucks, then his hit rate is 50%.


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A team's past ability to create quality chances is the expected number of goals (xG) they should have produced. The number of xG in excess of the actual number of GoalsFor (GF) and GoalsAgainst (GA) constitutes the margin of safety (MOS) that is counted on to cushion the bettor against discomfiture in the event of a decline in their performance in the upcoming fixture (UF). The soccer bettor does not expect the UF to work out the same as in the past. If he were sure of that, the MOS demanded might be small. The function of MOS is, in essence, that of rendering unnecessary an accurate estimate of the team's winning probability in the UF. If the MOS is sufficiently large, then it is enough to assume that the team's performance in the UF will not fall far below their xG in order for the bettor to feel sufficiently cushioned against bad luck. The MOS is always dependent on the odds that the bettor accepts from the bookie. It will be large in certain odds, small at some lower odds, and negative when the odds is too low. However, even with a MOS in the bettor's favour, he may lose his bet. For the MOS guarantees only that he has a better chance of winning - not that loss is impossible. 
Theory of Diversification
There is a close logical connection between the concept of safety margin and the principle of diversification. One is correlative with the other. Even with a margin in the bettor’s favor, an individual bet may work out badly. But as the number of such commitments is increased the more certain does it become that the aggregate of the profits will exceed the aggregate of the losses. This point may be made more colorful by a reference to the arithmetic of roulette. If a man bets $1 on a single number, he is paid $35 profit when he wins—but the chances are 37 to 1 that he will lose. He has a “negative margin of safety.” In his case diversification is foolish. The more numbers he bets on, the smaller his chance of ending with a profit. If he regularly bets $1 on every number (including 0 and 00), he is certain to lose $2 on each turn of the wheel. But suppose the winner received $39 profit instead of $35. Then he would have a small but important margin of safety. Therefore, the more numbers he wagers on, the better his chance of gain. And he could be certain of winning $2 on every spin by simply betting $1 each on all the numbers. (Incidentally, the two examples given actually describe the respective positions of the player and proprietor of a wheel with a 0 and 00.)
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Most punters believe they have the odds in their favor when they take their chances, and therefore they may lay claim to a safety margin in their proceedings. Each one has the feeling that the time is right to place his bets, or that his skill is superior to others, or that his tipster or system is trustworthy. But such claims may be unconvincing. They rest on subjective judgment, unsupported by any body of favorable evidence or any conclusive line of reasoning. The true concept of the margin of safety rests upon simple and definite arithmetical reasoning from statistical data. There is no guarantee that this fundamental quantitative approach will continue to show favorable results under the unknown conditions of the future. But, equally, there is no valid reason for pessimism on this score. Thus, to have a sound bet there must be present a true margin of safety. And a true margin of safety is one that can be demonstrated by figures, by persuasive reasoning, and by reference to a body of actual experience.

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Noted and Thank you for your suggestions.

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In other forums, they don't encourage non constructive comments, such as thanks.
Thanks is just a lame way to increase post count to be frank.
Therefore, they implemented a like/thanks button to counter this problem.

So i would say your idea is brilliant.


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This scheme will work if a thread consists of only one pick.
In threads with a few picks which win overall, how do we categorize ‘overall win’ ?
W8 L1 is overall win, W1 L0.5 too. Both will have similar congrats.

Also, even if a Tipster’s hit rate is below 50%, it doesn’t mean that he’s not profitable overall and vice versa.
As an illustration, if a particular Tipster is always posting +1.5 at odds of 1.20, even if he’s winning 3/4 of the times, he’ll still be losing overall. On the other hand, someone who posts parlay with odds of 4 and above, even with a slightly less than 50% hit rate, I will consider him a good Tipster. To simply judge by hit-rate is a distortion in itself. 

In short, there’s no easy way to evaluate in an indisputable manner except to compile another TC-like rankings showing everyone’s daily picks and stats. 

This message was edited by wembly on 11-Apr-2019 at 7:05 AM


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SEE THE MEDALS
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quote originally posted by JOGK:
SEE THE MEDALS
MEDALS DONT LIE




Past contributions/ glory at the expense of current form are precisely what the proposers are targetting for in their calls for review. Medals alone without significant posting or a genuine effort to share also amount to nothing.


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quote originally posted by wembly:

Past contributions/ glory at the expense of current form are precisely what the proposers are targetting for in their calls for review. Medals alone without significant posting or a genuine effort to share also amount to nothing.



ALSO YOU MUST JUDGE HOW TIPSTERS POST THEIR TIPS

VERY EASY FOR ME TO GET ALOT OF WINS

JUST EAT 1.5

I CAN BET MY LAST DOLLAR I WILL WIN ALOT

WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS THERE ARE MANY FACTORS

LIKE...

1X2 AND ASIAN HANDICAPS

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I AM SURE EVERYONE HERE WANTS TO WIN MONEY
NOT HOW MANY TIMES YOU WIN


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TALKING ABOUT MEDALS
YES YOU CAN SAID ITS PAST GLORY
BUT DONT FORGET IT WAS EARNED
AND THE MEDALS ARE NOT PAST ON BY SOMEONE
PAST GLORY MUST BE RESPECTED
IF YOU THINK PAST GLORY IS LUCK
THEN WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THE POTENTIAL ONES ARE NOT BY LUCK?


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quote originally posted by JOGK:
TALKING ABOUT MEDALS
YES YOU CAN SAID ITS PAST GLORY
BUT DONT FORGET IT WAS EARNED
AND THE MEDALS ARE NOT PAST ON BY SOMEONE
PAST GLORY MUST BE RESPECTED
IF YOU THINK PAST GLORY IS LUCK
THEN WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THE POTENTIAL ONES ARE NOT BY LUCK?




Don’t get me wrong. Of course medals are all hard-earned.
I’m just reiterating their rationale of calling for this review.
There must be a reason for webmaster making all of us AB tipsters, for one reason or another. The reasons are more obvious in some than others and sometimes current form doesn’t justify the awards for some as well.

Like you say, whether it’s justifiable for a member to be donning a certain award cannot be based on a single factor like a current hit-ratio or just medals alone.

In the TC, there are many two-time winners who never contribute a single post at the forum.
If you ask me if they deserve to be conferred AB Tipstership, my answer is a no. 

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I agree and disagree.
In real life, yes.
For the sake of this forum and the significance of AB tipstership, no.
If a Tipster only post 1 tip per month and has a 100% hit rate, his value is lesser than one who posts daily and has a ratio of 65/70%


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quote originally posted by wembly:

I agree and disagree.
In real life, yes.
For the sake of this forum and the significance of AB tipstership, no.
If a Tipster only post 1 tip per month and has a 100% hit rate, his value is lesser than one who posts daily and has a ratio of 65/70%



Winning ratio high not enough
Compares to the one less but win more money

Like i said..i just eat 1.5..2.5..3.5
My winning ratio sure goes up

But wat for?
My winnings only 1.1..1.2..1.3 odds


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I think those post at TC is enough already
Dont need to post at other forums


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Winning ratio high not enough
Compares to the one less but win more money

Like i said..i just eat 1.5..2.5..3.5
My winning ratio sure goes up

But wat for?
My winnings only 1.1..1.2..1.3 odds



I’ve stated this earlier too.


 


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ITS ALL STATED THERE AT TC
THEIR STATS..
AND ITS CURRENT
SO I THINK ITS THE BEST PUNTERS CAN KNOW FROM THERE ALREADY


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I’ve stated this earlier too.
 



Exactly
So its not fair if the tipstets post 1x2
Because his winning chance are much lower


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I understand its impossible to win all by betting on outsiders
So its the tipsters foresight and
Judgement that make him a good one


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I’ve stated this earlier too.
 



Thats why i mention
Judging from TC is the most reliable
Because you can see the stats there
Winning %
Total winnings or lost so far
Like i said stats dont lie


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quote originally posted by Fahrenheit:

I refer to an earlier thread w.r.t. the review of Tipster accuracy petitioned by Fate87.
I think the accuracy of tipsters' accuracy can be validated by members who regularly visit threads and wish "good luck" and "congrats" to people. By adding some sort mechanism, perhaps these "Congratulators" can be given the "ability" to hit a button and auto-generate the words "good luck" and "Congratulations" before and after a match. 
A tipster's hit rate will thus be a ratio between the number of validated "congrats" versus number of validated "good luck". 
For example, if a Tipster receives 5 congrats over 10 good lucks, then his hit rate is 50%.


seems like a good idea bro. but like what other people has pointed out, very hard to implement.

end of the day, if webmaster thinks the current system is a fair indicator of how good a "Asianbookie Tipster" truly is, then we can only accept.


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quote originally posted by fate_87:

seems like a good idea bro. but like what other people has pointed out, very hard to implement.

end of the day, if webmaster thinks the current system is a fair indicator of how good a "Asianbookie Tipster" truly is, then we can only accept.



Perhaps a Tipster title ought to be treated like an "annual licence" that will expire after one year. 
 


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Theory of Diversification
There is a close logical connection between the concept of safety margin and the principle of diversification. One is correlative with the other. Even with a margin in the bettor’s favor, an individual bet may work out badly. But as the number of such commitments is increased the more certain does it become that the aggregate of the profits will exceed the aggregate of the losses. This point may be made more colorful by a reference to the arithmetic of roulette. If a man bets $1 on a single number, he is paid $35 profit when he wins—but the chances are 37 to 1 that he will lose. He has a “negative margin of safety.” In his case diversification is foolish. The more numbers he bets on, the smaller his chance of ending with a profit. If he regularly bets $1 on every number (including 0 and 00), he is certain to lose $2 on each turn of the wheel. But suppose the winner received $39 profit instead of $35. Then he would have a small but important margin of safety. Therefore, the more numbers he wagers on, the better his chance of gain. And he could be certain of winning $2 on every spin by simply betting $1 each on all the numbers. (Incidentally, the two examples given actually describe the respective positions of the player and proprietor of a wheel with a 0 and 00.)
A Criterion of Value Betting
Most punters believe they have the odds in their favor when they take their chances, and therefore they may lay claim to a safety margin in their proceedings. Each one has the feeling that the time is right to place his bets, or that his skill is superior to others, or that his tipster or system is trustworthy. But such claims may be unconvincing. They rest on subjective judgment, unsupported by any body of favorable evidence or any conclusive line of reasoning. The true concept of the margin of safety rests upon simple and definite arithmetical reasoning from statistical data. There is no guarantee that this fundamental quantitative approach will continue to show favorable results under the unknown conditions of the future. But, equally, there is no valid reason for pessimism on this score. Thus, to have a sound bet there must be present a true margin of safety. And a true margin of safety is one that can be demonstrated by figures, by persuasive reasoning, and by reference to a body of actual experience.

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Perhaps a Tipster title ought to be treated like an "annual licence" that will expire after one year. 
 


i totally agree. it definitely shouldn't be a permanent title. i am glad a senior member like yourself also agrees with my P.O.V


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IF LIKE THAT MAYBE JUDGE FROM TC?
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quote originally posted by fate_87:

i totally agree. it definitely shouldn't be a permanent title. i am glad a senior member like yourself also agrees with my P.O.V



To a certain extent, I agree with your POV. 

But the dispense and followship of tips is also subject to the sizes of individual bankrool, expected timeframe to win money, goal of how much to win, betting strategy etc. 

A follower with a large bankroll will have the luxury of a progressive (double up or down) betting strategy. 

A stoic follower accepts the outcome of bets with equanimity regardless of ups and downs. 

Thus the tipster make known the kind of bankroll he had and the betting strategy he employs, so that the follower can decide for himself if he has the "stomach" to follow. 


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A team's past ability to create quality chances is the expected number of goals (xG) they should have produced. The number of xG in excess of the actual number of GoalsFor (GF) and GoalsAgainst (GA) constitutes the margin of safety (MOS) that is counted on to cushion the bettor against discomfiture in the event of a decline in their performance in the upcoming fixture (UF). The soccer bettor does not expect the UF to work out the same as in the past. If he were sure of that, the MOS demanded might be small. The function of MOS is, in essence, that of rendering unnecessary an accurate estimate of the team's winning probability in the UF. If the MOS is sufficiently large, then it is enough to assume that the team's performance in the UF will not fall far below their xG in order for the bettor to feel sufficiently cushioned against bad luck. The MOS is always dependent on the odds that the bettor accepts from the bookie. It will be large in certain odds, small at some lower odds, and negative when the odds is too low. However, even with a MOS in the bettor's favour, he may lose his bet. For the MOS guarantees only that he has a better chance of winning - not that loss is impossible. 
Theory of Diversification
There is a close logical connection between the concept of safety margin and the principle of diversification. One is correlative with the other. Even with a margin in the bettor’s favor, an individual bet may work out badly. But as the number of such commitments is increased the more certain does it become that the aggregate of the profits will exceed the aggregate of the losses. This point may be made more colorful by a reference to the arithmetic of roulette. If a man bets $1 on a single number, he is paid $35 profit when he wins—but the chances are 37 to 1 that he will lose. He has a “negative margin of safety.” In his case diversification is foolish. The more numbers he bets on, the smaller his chance of ending with a profit. If he regularly bets $1 on every number (including 0 and 00), he is certain to lose $2 on each turn of the wheel. But suppose the winner received $39 profit instead of $35. Then he would have a small but important margin of safety. Therefore, the more numbers he wagers on, the better his chance of gain. And he could be certain of winning $2 on every spin by simply betting $1 each on all the numbers. (Incidentally, the two examples given actually describe the respective positions of the player and proprietor of a wheel with a 0 and 00.)
A Criterion of Value Betting
Most punters believe they have the odds in their favor when they take their chances, and therefore they may lay claim to a safety margin in their proceedings. Each one has the feeling that the time is right to place his bets, or that his skill is superior to others, or that his tipster or system is trustworthy. But such claims may be unconvincing. They rest on subjective judgment, unsupported by any body of favorable evidence or any conclusive line of reasoning. The true concept of the margin of safety rests upon simple and definite arithmetical reasoning from statistical data. There is no guarantee that this fundamental quantitative approach will continue to show favorable results under the unknown conditions of the future. But, equally, there is no valid reason for pessimism on this score. Thus, to have a sound bet there must be present a true margin of safety. And a true margin of safety is one that can be demonstrated by figures, by persuasive reasoning, and by reference to a body of actual experience.

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The stochastic nature of gambling guarantees that losing streaks of various durations will occur. The bettor should be prepared for them both financially and psychologically.

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quote originally posted by Fahrenheit:
Perhaps a Tipster title ought to be treated like an "annual licence" that will expire after one year. 




I agree with you totally.
In fact, to the displeasure of most, I will even extend that line of thought to all senior status (gold members and above including admins).
There’s really no point clinging onto something if one’s not delivering.
My only question is other than Webmaster himself, who is to decide if he/ she is delivering?
Also, it does feel silly that as an example, Laiszewea’s tipstership is removed upon expiry and the next day, bunches of recommendations come a calling.

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quote originally posted by Fahrenheit:
Perhaps a Tipster title ought to be treated like an "annual licence" that will expire after one year.   





quote originally posted by fate_87:


i totally agree. it definitely shouldn't be a permanent title. i am glad a senior member like yourself also agrees with my P.O.V




 @AsianBookie , aka Boss,
Is this suggestion feasible?
I’m in favor of it.
 


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quote originally posted by wembly:

Also, it does feel silly that as an example, Laiszewea’s tipstership is removed upon expiry and the next day, bunches of recommendations come a calling. This message was edited by wembly on 11-Apr-2019 at 11:34 PM


It's not silly if it's regarded upon as a "renewal of license", validated by followers themselves  
 


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A team's past ability to create quality chances is the expected number of goals (xG) they should have produced. The number of xG in excess of the actual number of GoalsFor (GF) and GoalsAgainst (GA) constitutes the margin of safety (MOS) that is counted on to cushion the bettor against discomfiture in the event of a decline in their performance in the upcoming fixture (UF). The soccer bettor does not expect the UF to work out the same as in the past. If he were sure of that, the MOS demanded might be small. The function of MOS is, in essence, that of rendering unnecessary an accurate estimate of the team's winning probability in the UF. If the MOS is sufficiently large, then it is enough to assume that the team's performance in the UF will not fall far below their xG in order for the bettor to feel sufficiently cushioned against bad luck. The MOS is always dependent on the odds that the bettor accepts from the bookie. It will be large in certain odds, small at some lower odds, and negative when the odds is too low. However, even with a MOS in the bettor's favour, he may lose his bet. For the MOS guarantees only that he has a better chance of winning - not that loss is impossible. 
Theory of Diversification
There is a close logical connection between the concept of safety margin and the principle of diversification. One is correlative with the other. Even with a margin in the bettor’s favor, an individual bet may work out badly. But as the number of such commitments is increased the more certain does it become that the aggregate of the profits will exceed the aggregate of the losses. This point may be made more colorful by a reference to the arithmetic of roulette. If a man bets $1 on a single number, he is paid $35 profit when he wins—but the chances are 37 to 1 that he will lose. He has a “negative margin of safety.” In his case diversification is foolish. The more numbers he bets on, the smaller his chance of ending with a profit. If he regularly bets $1 on every number (including 0 and 00), he is certain to lose $2 on each turn of the wheel. But suppose the winner received $39 profit instead of $35. Then he would have a small but important margin of safety. Therefore, the more numbers he wagers on, the better his chance of gain. And he could be certain of winning $2 on every spin by simply betting $1 each on all the numbers. (Incidentally, the two examples given actually describe the respective positions of the player and proprietor of a wheel with a 0 and 00.)
A Criterion of Value Betting
Most punters believe they have the odds in their favor when they take their chances, and therefore they may lay claim to a safety margin in their proceedings. Each one has the feeling that the time is right to place his bets, or that his skill is superior to others, or that his tipster or system is trustworthy. But such claims may be unconvincing. They rest on subjective judgment, unsupported by any body of favorable evidence or any conclusive line of reasoning. The true concept of the margin of safety rests upon simple and definite arithmetical reasoning from statistical data. There is no guarantee that this fundamental quantitative approach will continue to show favorable results under the unknown conditions of the future. But, equally, there is no valid reason for pessimism on this score. Thus, to have a sound bet there must be present a true margin of safety. And a true margin of safety is one that can be demonstrated by figures, by persuasive reasoning, and by reference to a body of actual experience.

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The stochastic nature of gambling guarantees that losing streaks of various durations will occur. The bettor should be prepared for them both financially and psychologically.

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quote originally posted by wembly:


quote originally posted by fate_87:

i totally agree. it definitely shouldn't be a permanent title. i am glad a senior member like yourself also agrees with my P.O.V




 @AsianBookie , aka Boss,
Is this suggestion feasible?
I’m in favor of it.



The Tipster title is already taken away if the tipster hasnt logged in for 270 days. There are many other indicators that can better judge who are the in form tipsters (number of followers is one of them).

We could implement for example if an AB Tipster has less than 30 followers for a period of time he will be removed but that is something we have to consider very carefully as we would be stripping the title off once very famous tipster like clamp, baretta, Lordess. Another example, simon1959 and nta82 are tipsters with less than 30 followers, but they have won 3 x Tipsters Championship medals each. Is that something we want to bear with? I think a better idea is to temporarily "hide" the Title until they get back above 30 followers but this is also prone to abuse as the person may create multiple accounts to follower himself

It is hard, we have to consider this carefully.


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quote originally posted by AsianBookie:

 @AsianBookie , aka Boss,
Is this suggestion feasible?
I’m in favor of it.



The Tipster title is already taken away if the tipster hasnt logged in for 270 days. There are many other indicators that can better judge who are the in form tipsters (number of followers is one of them).

We could implement for example if an AB Tipster has less than 30 followers for a period of time he will be removed but that is something we have to consider very carefully as we would be stripping the title off once very famous tipster like clamp, baretta, Lordess. Another example, simon1959 and nta82 are tipsters with less than 30 followers, but they have won 3 x Tipsters Championship medals each. Is that something we want to bear with? I think a better idea is to temporarily "hide" the Title until they get back above 30 followers but this is also prone to abuse as the person may create multiple accounts to follower himself

It is hard, we have to consider this carefully.

I understand your point fully.
To take away someone’s past contributions/ glory is truly not too right.

There are many factors at play here. To simply use followers’ count is definitely not the right evaluation method too. I’ve mentioned this in the admins lounge. If I were to only post tennis picks, my following will be 10 percent of what I have now simply because very few are into tennis betting. Having said that, if I’m good at it and my followers believe in that too, I will not be any less deserving than Admin Lai in donning the badge.

  

This message was edited by wembly on 12-Apr-2019 at 12:07 AM


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quote originally posted by wembly:
The Tipster title is already taken away if the tipster hasnt logged in for 270 days. There are many other indicators that can better judge who are the in form tipsters (number of followers is one of them).

We could implement for example if an AB Tipster has less than 30 followers for a period of time he will be removed but that is something we have to consider very carefully as we would be stripping the title off once very famous tipster like clamp, baretta, Lordess. Another example, simon1959 and nta82 are tipsters with less than 30 followers, but they have won 3 x Tipsters Championship medals each. Is that something we want to bear with? I think a better idea is to temporarily "hide" the Title until they get back above 30 followers but this is also prone to abuse as the person may create multiple accounts to follower himself

It is hard, we have to consider this carefully.

There are many factors at play here. To simply use followers’ count is definitely not the right evaluation method too. I’ve mentioned this in the admins lounge. If I were to only post tennis picks, my following will be 10 percent of what I have now simply because very few are into tennis betting. Having said that, if I’m good at it and my followers believe in that too, I will not be any less deserving than Admin Lai in donning the badge.

   This message was edited by wembly on 12-Apr-2019 at 12:07 AM



And also I think there's some sort of "placebo effect", as in it works for the followers who believe in the tipster and have unwavering faith in his picks..

I mean take the title "Lottery Tipster" for example... I personally don't buy into this, but then... 
 


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A team's past ability to create quality chances is the expected number of goals (xG) they should have produced. The number of xG in excess of the actual number of GoalsFor (GF) and GoalsAgainst (GA) constitutes the margin of safety (MOS) that is counted on to cushion the bettor against discomfiture in the event of a decline in their performance in the upcoming fixture (UF). The soccer bettor does not expect the UF to work out the same as in the past. If he were sure of that, the MOS demanded might be small. The function of MOS is, in essence, that of rendering unnecessary an accurate estimate of the team's winning probability in the UF. If the MOS is sufficiently large, then it is enough to assume that the team's performance in the UF will not fall far below their xG in order for the bettor to feel sufficiently cushioned against bad luck. The MOS is always dependent on the odds that the bettor accepts from the bookie. It will be large in certain odds, small at some lower odds, and negative when the odds is too low. However, even with a MOS in the bettor's favour, he may lose his bet. For the MOS guarantees only that he has a better chance of winning - not that loss is impossible. 
Theory of Diversification
There is a close logical connection between the concept of safety margin and the principle of diversification. One is correlative with the other. Even with a margin in the bettor’s favor, an individual bet may work out badly. But as the number of such commitments is increased the more certain does it become that the aggregate of the profits will exceed the aggregate of the losses. This point may be made more colorful by a reference to the arithmetic of roulette. If a man bets $1 on a single number, he is paid $35 profit when he wins—but the chances are 37 to 1 that he will lose. He has a “negative margin of safety.” In his case diversification is foolish. The more numbers he bets on, the smaller his chance of ending with a profit. If he regularly bets $1 on every number (including 0 and 00), he is certain to lose $2 on each turn of the wheel. But suppose the winner received $39 profit instead of $35. Then he would have a small but important margin of safety. Therefore, the more numbers he wagers on, the better his chance of gain. And he could be certain of winning $2 on every spin by simply betting $1 each on all the numbers. (Incidentally, the two examples given actually describe the respective positions of the player and proprietor of a wheel with a 0 and 00.)
A Criterion of Value Betting
Most punters believe they have the odds in their favor when they take their chances, and therefore they may lay claim to a safety margin in their proceedings. Each one has the feeling that the time is right to place his bets, or that his skill is superior to others, or that his tipster or system is trustworthy. But such claims may be unconvincing. They rest on subjective judgment, unsupported by any body of favorable evidence or any conclusive line of reasoning. The true concept of the margin of safety rests upon simple and definite arithmetical reasoning from statistical data. There is no guarantee that this fundamental quantitative approach will continue to show favorable results under the unknown conditions of the future. But, equally, there is no valid reason for pessimism on this score. Thus, to have a sound bet there must be present a true margin of safety. And a true margin of safety is one that can be demonstrated by figures, by persuasive reasoning, and by reference to a body of actual experience.

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quote originally posted by Fahrenheit:
And also I think there's some sort of "placebo effect", as in it works for the followers who believe in the tipster and have unwavering faith in his picks..

I mean take the title "Lottery Tipster" for example... I personally don't buy into this, but then... 



I’ll put it this way, after a while, majority of the followers become ‘attached’ to a tipster. Some become ‘friends’.
Even if the tipster picks have turned south for a long time, most of the following will still be intact. 
That’s why using that as the only gauge is incorrect. The hard part is what constitutes a good gauge?

I agree in principle that any status or awards should not be a permanent thing so that people don’t take things for granted and rest on their laurels. If nothing else, attitudes can change. Who is to say that the attributes that made Wembly an admin will remain forever. Rest be assured that I’ll be the first to give up my admin status if that day ever arrive.

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1. We do not award tipsters title blindly after several rounds of observations and recommendations. Once given is their responsibility to try their best to shine their skills. 

2. Followers need to know the risks. You are buying an options. 

3. Status quo per the current system. 

4. We strip tipster totally to nothing before if there is such conflict of interest occurred.. Not mentioning any person. 

5. Is not their fault when they are low form. 

6. Is good to indicate somewhere that the tipster is in volatile form. Somewhere. If it is possible. 

7. To implement annual licence is complicated and will have lots of unfairness complaints, with lots of debates - which they did nothing wrong. 

Lastly, 
8. It is really an avatar. As always may the luck be with you. 



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quote originally posted by justin11sg:
1. We do not award tipsters title blindly after several rounds of observations and recommendations. Once given is their responsibility to try their best to shine their skills. 

2. Followers need to know the risks. You are buying an options. 

3. Status quo per the current system. 

4. We strip tipster totally to nothing before if there is such conflict of interest occurred.. Not mentioning any person. 

5. Is not their fault when they are low form. 

6. Is good to indicate somewhere that the tipster is in volatile form. Somewhere. If it is possible. 

7. To implement annual licence is complicated and will have lots of unfairness complaints, with lots of debates - which they did nothing wrong. 

Lastly, 
8. It is really an avatar. As always may the luck be with you. 



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FYI.those with our prestigious tipster title

9. Tipsters not seen in 9 months will be auto removed. So in my opinion is still OK with the current system. 


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New way of increasing post counts and popularity in main forums, since /gc post counts have been calibrated.

Way 1
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Its easy to track the Tipsters performance
Below is the AB tipsters' post and results over the weekend

note: not include tipster with admin/mod status
note: not include in-running, horse tipsters
note: win 0.5 and lose 0.5 are simplified as W and L (they would average out in the long run)
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date tipster pick resuLt
190412 4dtotoman leicester -0.5 L
190412 4dtotoman nurnberg over L
190412 bcm brisbane win W
190413 bcm ADELAIDE WIN AT FT L
190413 bcm ATLETICO -1.5 W
190413 bcm HANNOVER +1 D
190413 bcm REIMS +0.5,1 W
190413 bcm TOTTENHAM -2 W
190413 bcm UDINESE +1 D
190413 bcm WOLVES +0,0.5 L
190413 bcm  TOTTENHAM OVER 3 W
190414 bcm BOLOGNA +0.5 W
190414 bcm CRYSTAL +1.5 L
190414 bcm CRYSTAL MATCH UNDER 3 L
190414 bcm CRYSTAL WIN AT FT L
190414 bcm FORTUNA +2,2.5 L
190414 bcm LILLE +0.5,1 W
190414 bcm LIVERPOOL MATCH UNDER 2.5,3 W
190414 bcm RAYO +0.5,1 L
190412 bet2fat schalke -0.25 L
190412 bet2fat newcastle +0.75 W
190412 bet2fat newcastle over L
190413 bet2fat Brighton & Hove Albion - 0-0.5 L
190413 bet2fat Burnley - 0.5 W
190413 bet2fat tottenham Hotspur - 2 W
190414 bet2fat Chelsea + 0.5-1 L
190414 bet2fat Crystal Palace + 1.5 L
190414 bet2fat Torino - 0.5 L
190412 billions lyon -0.5 L
190412 billions clemont -0 L
190412 billions leicester -0.75 L
190412 billions leicester under W
190413 billions Brighton HA - 0.25 L
190413 billions Manchester United - 1.25 L
190413 billions Sevilla - 0.75 W
190413 billions  brighton Over 2.25 W
190413 billions Barcelona - 0.75 L
190414 billions Liverpool - 0.75 W
190414 billions Manchester City - 1.5 W
190414 billions Sampdoria - 0.25 W
190414 billions Torino - 0.5 L
190414 billions  liverpool Over 2.5 L
190414 billions  sampdoria Over 2.5 L
190412 boy germany chicago fire L
190412 boy germany newcastle over L
190412 boy germany wellington L
190412 football all almere city over 2.75 W
190413 football_all OVER ESPANYOL 2 W
190414 football_all  OVER SASSUOLO 2.5 L
190412 goodyear1 leicester -0.75 L
190412 goodyear1 leicester over L
190412 goodyear1 wellington -1 L
190412 goodyear1 wellington o3.5 L
190413 goodyear1 Burnley over 2.5 L
190413 goodyear1 Fulham over 2.75 L
190414 goodyear1 Fortuna Dusseldorf +2.25 L
190414 goodyear1  Crystal Palace +1.5, L
190414 goodyear1 c.palace over 2.75  W
190414 goodyear1 Liverpool -0.75 W
190413 goodyear1 Manchester United over 3 D
190414 hakunamatata Crystal Palace + 1.5 Ball L
190412 hakunamatata leicester -0.75 L
190412 hakunamatata leicester over L
190413 hakunamatata burnley -0.5 W
190413 hakunamatata tottenham ov 3.25 W
190414 hakunamatata Liverpool - 0.75 Ball W
190414 hakunamatata Liverpool Over 2.75 Ball L
190413 hakunamatata tottenham  -1.75 W
190412 hdao_fish Mjondalen + 1 D
190413 hdao_fish Millwall + 3/4 W
190414 jammychiam Liverpool -0.75 W
190412 jammychiam newcastle +0.75 W
190412 jammychiam newcastle under W
190413 Jammychiam Cardiff +0.5 L
190414 jammychiam Man City -1.5 W
190414 jammychiam Man City TG Over 3 W
190413 Jammychiam Cardiff TG Under 2.5 W
190413 Jammychiam Man United -1.25 L
190413 jjfoong burnley -0.5 W
190414 jo chen Crystal Palace UNDER 2.75 L
190414 jo chen Hiroshima Sanfrecce+0.25 W
190412 jo chen newcastle +0.75 W
190412 jo chen newcastle under W
190413 jo chen Southampton lvl W
190413 jo chen Cardiff +0.5 L
190413 jo chen Everton -0.75 L
190413 jo chen Jeju United UNDER 2.75 W
190413 jo chen Machida Zelvia+0.25 W
190413 jo chen Nagoya Grampus+0.25 W
190414 jo chen Jubilo iwata+0.25 L
190414 jo chen Kashima Antler+0.25 L
190414 jo chen Kyoto Sanga+0.5 W
190414 jo chen liverpool UNDER 2.5 W
190414 jo chen Liverpool-0.75 W
190414 jo chen Melbourne Victory-1.5 L
190414 jo chen Mito Hollyhock +0.25 W
190414 jo chen Perth Glory -1.25 L
190413 jo chen Ryūkyū lvl D
190413 jo chen Sydney FC-7.5 L
190412 juan mata leicester -0.75 L
190412 juan mata wellington L
190414 juan_mata Bayern Munich -2.25 W
190414 juan_mata Beijing Guoan -1.75 L
190413 juan_mata Atletico Madrid -1 W
190413 juan_mata Dortmund -1.75 L
190413 juan_mata Feyenoord -2 L
190413 juan_mata Roma -1 D
190413 juan_mata SPAL +0.25 W
190413 juan_mata Western Sydney +0.5 W
190414 juan_mata Hoffenheim -1.5 W
190414 juan_mata Lille +0.75 W
190414 juan_mata Liverpool -0.75 W
190414 juan_mata Napoli -1.5 W
190414 juan_mata Perth Glory -1 D
190414 juan_mata PSV -2.5 L
190414 juan_mata man c -1.75 W
190413 juan_mata Brighton -0.25 L
190413 juan_mata Everton -0.75 L
190413 juan_mata Man Utd -1.25 L
190414 lumpark Colorado O2.5 @1.63 (1oK) W
190414 lumpark c.palace +1.5 L
190412 lumpark wellington u3.5 W
190412 lumpark hougang u2.5 W
190413 lumpark Albirex -1.5 @1.70 L
190414 lumpark liverpool Tg under 2.5 W
190413 lumpark Balestier O2.5 @1.60 W
190413 lumpark Cerezo Win @1.97 L
190413 lumpark Jeju O2.5 L
190412 master of football 79 lyon -0.75 L
190413 master of football_79 spurs -2 W
190412 milan18 brisbane ht over 1.5 W
190412 milan18 brisbane over 3.25 L
190412 milan18 cs 2-2 L
190412 milan18 cs 2-3 L
190412 milan18 cs 3-2 L
190412 milan18 emmen over L
190412 milan18 lyon over W
190412 milan18 orebro under W
190412 milan18 schalke under W
190413 milan18 Jeonbuk Ft Over 2.5 L
190413 milan18 BK Hacken Over 2.5 W
190414 milan18 Gamba Osaka Over 2.5 L
190414 milan18 Mel Victory Over 3.5 L
190413 milan18 Spurs -1.75 W
190413 milan18 spurs, Over 2.5 W
190413 milan18 wolsburg Over 2.5 L
190412 nice guy leicester -0.75 L
190413 nice_guy FULHAM +0.75 W
190413 nice_guy TOTTENHAM -2 W
190413 nice_guy WESTHAM +1.25 W
190414 nice_guy CRYSTAL PALACE +1.75 L
190413 nil brighton -0.25 L
190413 nil southampton -0 W
190414 nil man c -1.75 W
190414 nil man c over 3.25 W
190414 nil chelsea +0.75 L
190412 sanwa tips leicester -0.75 L
190413 sanwa_tips AC Milan level W
190413 sanwa_tips Barcelona -3/4 L
190414 sanwa_tips C.Palace TG under 3.00 L
190414 sanwa_tips  Fiorentina -1/4 L
190414 sanwa_tips  Frankfurt -1 L
190413 sanwa_tips Brighton -1/4 L
190413 sanwa_tips Burnley -1/2 W
190413 sanwa_tips Everton -3/4 L
190414 sanwa_tips  Liverpool -3/4 W
190414 sanwa_tips fiorentina Tg OVER 2.5  L
190414 sanwa_tips frankfurt Tg OVER 2.75  W
190414 sanwa_tips liverpool Tg under 2.5  W
190412 sheringham zhou granada+0.25 L
190412 sheringham zhou pescara  -0 D
190412 sheringham zhou union berlin  -0.75 L
190412 sheringham zhou leicester -0.75 L
190413 sheringham zhou AC Milan, lvl. W
190413 sheringham zhou ATM -1. W
190413 sheringham zhou Brighton -1/4, L
190413 sheringham zhou Burnley -1/2, W
190413 sheringham zhou Cerezo Osaka -1/4, L
190413 sheringham zhou Everton -3/4. L
190413 sheringham zhou Excelsior +3 L
190413 sheringham zhou Jeonbuk Hyundai Motors -1/2, W
190413 sheringham zhou Malaga -3/4, L
190413 sheringham zhou Melbourne City -1/4, L
190413 sheringham zhou Monchengladbach -1 D
190413 sheringham zhou Nagoya Grampus +1/4. W
190413 sheringham zhou Osasuna -1/2, W
190413 sheringham zhou Strasbourg -1/2 L
190413 sheringham zhou Sydney FC -1/2, L
190414 sheringham zhou Liverpool -3/4. W
190412 simon1959 newcastle +0.75 W
190412 simon1959 newcastle over L
190413 simon1959 Brighton' -0.25 L
190413 simon1959 Hotspur -2 W
190414 simon1959 Liverpool -0.75 W
190414 simon1959 Liverpool over 2.75 Ball L
190414 simon1959 Man city -1.5 W
190413 simon1960 Burnley -0.5 W
190413 six  derby Over 2.75 W
190413 six jeju o 2.75 L
190412 strong fella leicester -0.75 L
190413 strong fella Wolves lvl L
190413 strong fella Lazio lvl  L
190413 strong fella RB Leipzig -1 W
190414 strong fella Genoa +0.25 L
190414 strong fella Liverpool -0.75 W
190414 strong fella Villarreal lvl W
190412 xryan Emmen +1/4 W
190412 xryan Nurnberg +1/4 W
190412 xryan  Newcastle W
190412 xryan  Newcastle U2.5  W
190413 xryan Adelaide +1/4 W
190413 xryan Alaves +3/4 L
190413 xryan Bolton +1.25 L
190413 xryan Bournemouth +1/4 W
190413 xryan Cardiff +1/2 L
190413 xryan Leverkusen -1/2 W
190413 xryan Middlesbrough -1/2 W
190413 xryan QPR +1/4 W
190413 xryan Roma -1 D
190413 xryan Werder Bremen -1 D
190413 xryan Wolves 0 L
190413 xryan WSW +1/2 W


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quote originally posted by nil:
Its easy to track the Tipsters performance
Below is the AB tipsters' post and results over the weekend

note: not include tipster with admin/mod status
note: not include in-running, horse tipsters
note: win 0.5 and lose 0.5 are simplified as W and L (they would average out in the long run)
disclaimer: all effort has been done to ensure accuracy of the information and its just for discussion purpose
i should not be held liable for any lost of face or injuries arising from this..:)
 
date tipster pick resuLt
190412 4dtotoman leicester -0.5 L
190412 4dtotoman nurnberg over L
190412 bcm brisbane win W
190413 bcm ADELAIDE WIN AT FT L
190413 bcm ATLETICO -1.5 W
190413 bcm HANNOVER +1 D
190413 bcm REIMS +0.5,1 W
190413 bcm TOTTENHAM -2 W
190413 bcm UDINESE +1 D
190413 bcm WOLVES +0,0.5 L
190413 bcm  TOTTENHAM OVER 3 W
190414 bcm BOLOGNA +0.5 W
190414 bcm CRYSTAL +1.5 L
190414 bcm CRYSTAL MATCH UNDER 3 L
190414 bcm CRYSTAL WIN AT FT L
190414 bcm FORTUNA +2,2.5 L
190414 bcm LILLE +0.5,1 W
190414 bcm LIVERPOOL MATCH UNDER 2.5,3 W
190414 bcm RAYO +0.5,1 L
190412 bet2fat schalke -0.25 L
190412 bet2fat newcastle +0.75 W
190412 bet2fat newcastle over L
190413 bet2fat Brighton & Hove Albion - 0-0.5 L
190413 bet2fat Burnley - 0.5 W
190413 bet2fat tottenham Hotspur - 2 W
190414 bet2fat Chelsea + 0.5-1 L
190414 bet2fat Crystal Palace + 1.5 L
190414 bet2fat Torino - 0.5 L
190412 billions lyon -0.5 L
190412 billions clemont -0 L
190412 billions leicester -0.75 L
190412 billions leicester under W
190413 billions Brighton HA - 0.25 L
190413 billions Manchester United - 1.25 L
190413 billions Sevilla - 0.75 W
190413 billions  brighton Over 2.25 W
190413 billions Barcelona - 0.75 L
190414 billions Liverpool - 0.75 W
190414 billions Manchester City - 1.5 W
190414 billions Sampdoria - 0.25 W
190414 billions Torino - 0.5 L
190414 billions  liverpool Over 2.5 L
190414 billions  sampdoria Over 2.5 L
190412 boy germany chicago fire L
190412 boy germany newcastle over L
190412 boy germany wellington L
190412 football all almere city over 2.75 W
190413 football_all OVER ESPANYOL 2 W
190414 football_all  OVER SASSUOLO 2.5 L
190412 goodyear1 leicester -0.75 L
190412 goodyear1 leicester over L
190412 goodyear1 wellington -1 L
190412 goodyear1 wellington o3.5 L
190413 goodyear1 Burnley over 2.5 L
190413 goodyear1 Fulham over 2.75 L
190414 goodyear1 Fortuna Dusseldorf +2.25 L
190414 goodyear1  Crystal Palace +1.5, L
190414 goodyear1 c.palace over 2.75  W
190414 goodyear1 Liverpool -0.75 W
190413 goodyear1 Manchester United over 3 D
190414 hakunamatata Crystal Palace + 1.5 Ball L
190412 hakunamatata leicester -0.75 L
190412 hakunamatata leicester over L
190413 hakunamatata burnley -0.5 W
190413 hakunamatata tottenham ov 3.25 W
190414 hakunamatata Liverpool - 0.75 Ball W
190414 hakunamatata Liverpool Over 2.75 Ball L
190413 hakunamatata tottenham  -1.75 W
190412 hdao_fish Mjondalen + 1 D
190413 hdao_fish Millwall + 3/4 W
190414 jammychiam Liverpool -0.75 W
190412 jammychiam newcastle +0.75 W
190412 jammychiam newcastle under W
190413 Jammychiam Cardiff +0.5 L
190414 jammychiam Man City -1.5 W
190414 jammychiam Man City TG Over 3 W
190413 Jammychiam Cardiff TG Under 2.5 W
190413 Jammychiam Man United -1.25 L
190413 jjfoong burnley -0.5 W
190414 jo chen Crystal Palace UNDER 2.75 L
190414 jo chen Hiroshima Sanfrecce+0.25 W
190412 jo chen newcastle +0.75 W
190412 jo chen newcastle under W
190413 jo chen Southampton lvl W
190413 jo chen Cardiff +0.5 L
190413 jo chen Everton -0.75 L
190413 jo chen Jeju United UNDER 2.75 W
190413 jo chen Machida Zelvia+0.25 W
190413 jo chen Nagoya Grampus+0.25 W
190414 jo chen Jubilo iwata+0.25 L
190414 jo chen Kashima Antler+0.25 L
190414 jo chen Kyoto Sanga+0.5 W
190414 jo chen liverpool UNDER 2.5 W
190414 jo chen Liverpool-0.75 W
190414 jo chen Melbourne Victory-1.5 L
190414 jo chen Mito Hollyhock +0.25 W
190414 jo chen Perth Glory -1.25 L
190413 jo chen Ryūkyū lvl D
190413 jo chen Sydney FC-7.5 L
190412 juan mata leicester -0.75 L
190412 juan mata wellington L
190414 juan_mata Bayern Munich -2.25 W
190414 juan_mata Beijing Guoan -1.75 L
190413 juan_mata Atletico Madrid -1 W
190413 juan_mata Dortmund -1.75 L
190413 juan_mata Feyenoord -2 L
190413 juan_mata Roma -1 D
190413 juan_mata SPAL +0.25 W
190413 juan_mata Western Sydney +0.5 W
190414 juan_mata Hoffenheim -1.5 W
190414 juan_mata Lille +0.75 W
190414 juan_mata Liverpool -0.75 W
190414 juan_mata Napoli -1.5 W
190414 juan_mata Perth Glory -1 D
190414 juan_mata PSV -2.5 L
190414 juan_mata man c -1.75 W
190413 juan_mata Brighton -0.25 L
190413 juan_mata Everton -0.75 L
190413 juan_mata Man Utd -1.25 L
190414 lumpark Colorado O2.5 @1.63 (1oK) W
190414 lumpark c.palace +1.5 L
190412 lumpark wellington u3.5 W
190412 lumpark hougang u2.5 W
190413 lumpark Albirex -1.5 @1.70 L
190414 lumpark liverpool Tg under 2.5 W
190413 lumpark Balestier O2.5 @1.60 W
190413 lumpark Cerezo Win @1.97 L
190413 lumpark Jeju O2.5 L
190412 master of football 79 lyon -0.75 L
190413 master of football_79 spurs -2 W
190412 milan18 brisbane ht over 1.5 W
190412 milan18 brisbane over 3.25 L
190412 milan18 cs 2-2 L
190412 milan18 cs 2-3 L
190412 milan18 cs 3-2 L
190412 milan18 emmen over L
190412 milan18 lyon over W
190412 milan18 orebro under W
190412 milan18 schalke under W
190413 milan18 Jeonbuk Ft Over 2.5 L
190413 milan18 BK Hacken Over 2.5 W
190414 milan18 Gamba Osaka Over 2.5 L
190414 milan18 Mel Victory Over 3.5 L
190413 milan18 Spurs -1.75 W
190413 milan18 spurs, Over 2.5 W
190413 milan18 wolsburg Over 2.5 L
190412 nice guy leicester -0.75 L
190413 nice_guy FULHAM +0.75 W
190413 nice_guy TOTTENHAM -2 W
190413 nice_guy WESTHAM +1.25 W
190414 nice_guy CRYSTAL PALACE +1.75 L
190413 nil brighton -0.25 L
190413 nil southampton -0 W
190414 nil man c -1.75 W
190414 nil man c over 3.25 W
190414 nil chelsea +0.75 L
190412 sanwa tips leicester -0.75 L
190413 sanwa_tips AC Milan level W
190413 sanwa_tips Barcelona -3/4 L
190414 sanwa_tips C.Palace TG under 3.00 L
190414 sanwa_tips  Fiorentina -1/4 L
190414 sanwa_tips  Frankfurt -1 L
190413 sanwa_tips Brighton -1/4 L
190413 sanwa_tips Burnley -1/2 W
190413 sanwa_tips Everton -3/4 L
190414 sanwa_tips  Liverpool -3/4 W
190414 sanwa_tips fiorentina Tg OVER 2.5  L
190414 sanwa_tips frankfurt Tg OVER 2.75  W
190414 sanwa_tips liverpool Tg under 2.5  W
190412 sheringham zhou granada+0.25 L
190412 sheringham zhou pescara  -0 D
190412 sheringham zhou union berlin  -0.75 L
190412 sheringham zhou leicester -0.75 L
190413 sheringham zhou AC Milan, lvl. W
190413 sheringham zhou ATM -1. W
190413 sheringham zhou Brighton -1/4, L
190413 sheringham zhou Burnley -1/2, W
190413 sheringham zhou Cerezo Osaka -1/4, L
190413 sheringham zhou Everton -3/4. L
190413 sheringham zhou Excelsior +3 L
190413 sheringham zhou Jeonbuk Hyundai Motors -1/2, W
190413 sheringham zhou Malaga -3/4, L
190413 sheringham zhou Melbourne City -1/4, L
190413 sheringham zhou Monchengladbach -1 D
190413 sheringham zhou Nagoya Grampus +1/4. W
190413 sheringham zhou Osasuna -1/2, W
190413 sheringham zhou Strasbourg -1/2 L
190413 sheringham zhou Sydney FC -1/2, L
190414 sheringham zhou Liverpool -3/4. W
190412 simon1959 newcastle +0.75 W
190412 simon1959 newcastle over L
190413 simon1959 Brighton' -0.25 L
190413 simon1959 Hotspur -2 W
190414 simon1959 Liverpool -0.75 W
190414 simon1959 Liverpool over 2.75 Ball L
190414 simon1959 Man city -1.5 W
190413 simon1960 Burnley -0.5 W
190413 six  derby Over 2.75 W
190413 six jeju o 2.75 L
190412 strong fella leicester -0.75 L
190413 strong fella Wolves lvl L
190413 strong fella Lazio lvl  L
190413 strong fella RB Leipzig -1 W
190414 strong fella Genoa +0.25 L
190414 strong fella Liverpool -0.75 W
190414 strong fella Villarreal lvl W
190412 xryan Emmen +1/4 W
190412 xryan Nurnberg +1/4 W
190412 xryan  Newcastle W
190412 xryan  Newcastle U2.5  W
190413 xryan Adelaide +1/4 W
190413 xryan Alaves +3/4 L
190413 xryan Bolton +1.25 L
190413 xryan Bournemouth +1/4 W
190413 xryan Cardiff +1/2 L
190413 xryan Leverkusen -1/2 W
190413 xryan Middlesbrough -1/2 W
190413 xryan QPR +1/4 W
190413 xryan Roma -1 D
190413 xryan Werder Bremen -1 D
190413 xryan Wolves 0 L
190413 xryan WSW +1/2 W



Excluding draw, 103W against 210W&L.... 

Aggregate hit rate 49%... Random picks would perform equally well 

PS: 4DTotoman is a Lottery Tipster, so perhaps it isn't compare him against other tipsters.


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"Margin of Safety" as the Central Concept of Betting
A team's past ability to create quality chances is the expected number of goals (xG) they should have produced. The number of xG in excess of the actual number of GoalsFor (GF) and GoalsAgainst (GA) constitutes the margin of safety (MOS) that is counted on to cushion the bettor against discomfiture in the event of a decline in their performance in the upcoming fixture (UF). The soccer bettor does not expect the UF to work out the same as in the past. If he were sure of that, the MOS demanded might be small. The function of MOS is, in essence, that of rendering unnecessary an accurate estimate of the team's winning probability in the UF. If the MOS is sufficiently large, then it is enough to assume that the team's performance in the UF will not fall far below their xG in order for the bettor to feel sufficiently cushioned against bad luck. The MOS is always dependent on the odds that the bettor accepts from the bookie. It will be large in certain odds, small at some lower odds, and negative when the odds is too low. However, even with a MOS in the bettor's favour, he may lose his bet. For the MOS guarantees only that he has a better chance of winning - not that loss is impossible. 
Theory of Diversification
There is a close logical connection between the concept of safety margin and the principle of diversification. One is correlative with the other. Even with a margin in the bettor’s favor, an individual bet may work out badly. But as the number of such commitments is increased the more certain does it become that the aggregate of the profits will exceed the aggregate of the losses. This point may be made more colorful by a reference to the arithmetic of roulette. If a man bets $1 on a single number, he is paid $35 profit when he wins—but the chances are 37 to 1 that he will lose. He has a “negative margin of safety.” In his case diversification is foolish. The more numbers he bets on, the smaller his chance of ending with a profit. If he regularly bets $1 on every number (including 0 and 00), he is certain to lose $2 on each turn of the wheel. But suppose the winner received $39 profit instead of $35. Then he would have a small but important margin of safety. Therefore, the more numbers he wagers on, the better his chance of gain. And he could be certain of winning $2 on every spin by simply betting $1 each on all the numbers. (Incidentally, the two examples given actually describe the respective positions of the player and proprietor of a wheel with a 0 and 00.)
A Criterion of Value Betting
Most punters believe they have the odds in their favor when they take their chances, and therefore they may lay claim to a safety margin in their proceedings. Each one has the feeling that the time is right to place his bets, or that his skill is superior to others, or that his tipster or system is trustworthy. But such claims may be unconvincing. They rest on subjective judgment, unsupported by any body of favorable evidence or any conclusive line of reasoning. The true concept of the margin of safety rests upon simple and definite arithmetical reasoning from statistical data. There is no guarantee that this fundamental quantitative approach will continue to show favorable results under the unknown conditions of the future. But, equally, there is no valid reason for pessimism on this score. Thus, to have a sound bet there must be present a true margin of safety. And a true margin of safety is one that can be demonstrated by figures, by persuasive reasoning, and by reference to a body of actual experience.

The Bettor and Losing Streaks
The stochastic nature of gambling guarantees that losing streaks of various durations will occur. The bettor should be prepared for them both financially and psychologically.

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quote originally posted by Fahrenheit:

Excluding draw, 103W against 210W&L.... 
Aggregate hit rate 49%... Random picks would perform equally well 
PS: 4DTotoman is a Lottery Tipster, so perhaps it isn't compare him against other tipsters.



ok, will exclude 4Dtotoman.
.
i suspect, if taken on the whole, it would average out to 48% - 52% win rate.
but if looking at individual tipster, there will be some outstanding performer
and some with less impressive performance.
.
let me monitor for 1 month and present the data for further discussion.


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quote originally posted by nil:

ok, will exclude 4Dtotoman.
.
i suspect, if taken on the whole, it would average out to 48% - 52% win rate.
but if looking at individual tipster, there will be some outstanding performer
and some with less impressive performance. .
let me monitor for 1 month and present the data for further discussion.


i cannot believe you really took time to consolidate the data. amazing bro


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quote originally posted by nil:


ok, will exclude 4Dtotoman.
.
i suspect, if taken on the whole, it would average out to 48% - 52% win rate.
but if looking at individual tipster, there will be some outstanding performer
and some with less impressive performance.
.
let me monitor for 1 month and present the data for further discussion.



I’m speechless.
If you include mine, you’ll probably give up compiling.
 


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quote originally posted by wembly:

I’m speechless.
If you include mine, you’ll probably give up compiling.
 


very true..maybe someone else can take up your case..hehe
.
in the mean time, below is the table for reference (click on tips to see the tips details)
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quote originally posted by nil:

very true..maybe someone else can take up your case..hehe
.
in the mean time, below is the table for reference (click on tips to see the tips details)
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cheerio



If the aggregate hit rate tends toward 50% according to the law of large numbers, then perhaps the "fallen angels" are worth following now 🤣
 


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"Margin of Safety" as the Central Concept of Betting
A team's past ability to create quality chances is the expected number of goals (xG) they should have produced. The number of xG in excess of the actual number of GoalsFor (GF) and GoalsAgainst (GA) constitutes the margin of safety (MOS) that is counted on to cushion the bettor against discomfiture in the event of a decline in their performance in the upcoming fixture (UF). The soccer bettor does not expect the UF to work out the same as in the past. If he were sure of that, the MOS demanded might be small. The function of MOS is, in essence, that of rendering unnecessary an accurate estimate of the team's winning probability in the UF. If the MOS is sufficiently large, then it is enough to assume that the team's performance in the UF will not fall far below their xG in order for the bettor to feel sufficiently cushioned against bad luck. The MOS is always dependent on the odds that the bettor accepts from the bookie. It will be large in certain odds, small at some lower odds, and negative when the odds is too low. However, even with a MOS in the bettor's favour, he may lose his bet. For the MOS guarantees only that he has a better chance of winning - not that loss is impossible. 
Theory of Diversification
There is a close logical connection between the concept of safety margin and the principle of diversification. One is correlative with the other. Even with a margin in the bettor’s favor, an individual bet may work out badly. But as the number of such commitments is increased the more certain does it become that the aggregate of the profits will exceed the aggregate of the losses. This point may be made more colorful by a reference to the arithmetic of roulette. If a man bets $1 on a single number, he is paid $35 profit when he wins—but the chances are 37 to 1 that he will lose. He has a “negative margin of safety.” In his case diversification is foolish. The more numbers he bets on, the smaller his chance of ending with a profit. If he regularly bets $1 on every number (including 0 and 00), he is certain to lose $2 on each turn of the wheel. But suppose the winner received $39 profit instead of $35. Then he would have a small but important margin of safety. Therefore, the more numbers he wagers on, the better his chance of gain. And he could be certain of winning $2 on every spin by simply betting $1 each on all the numbers. (Incidentally, the two examples given actually describe the respective positions of the player and proprietor of a wheel with a 0 and 00.)
A Criterion of Value Betting
Most punters believe they have the odds in their favor when they take their chances, and therefore they may lay claim to a safety margin in their proceedings. Each one has the feeling that the time is right to place his bets, or that his skill is superior to others, or that his tipster or system is trustworthy. But such claims may be unconvincing. They rest on subjective judgment, unsupported by any body of favorable evidence or any conclusive line of reasoning. The true concept of the margin of safety rests upon simple and definite arithmetical reasoning from statistical data. There is no guarantee that this fundamental quantitative approach will continue to show favorable results under the unknown conditions of the future. But, equally, there is no valid reason for pessimism on this score. Thus, to have a sound bet there must be present a true margin of safety. And a true margin of safety is one that can be demonstrated by figures, by persuasive reasoning, and by reference to a body of actual experience.

The Bettor and Losing Streaks
The stochastic nature of gambling guarantees that losing streaks of various durations will occur. The bettor should be prepared for them both financially and psychologically.

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thx to feedback from bro nice_guy,
i seperated the 1x2, Correct score and other tips to another sheet.
the summary table is now just tracking the AH and OU tips.

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quote originally posted by nil:

very true..maybe someone else can take up your case..hehe
.
in the mean time, below is the table for reference (click on tips to see the tips details)
.
.
cheerio



Wow, I appreciate the effort required to consolidate this data. Tedious work needed and you had the patience and time. Kudos


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quote originally posted by nil:

very true..maybe someone else can take up your case..hehe
.
in the mean time, below is the table for reference (click on tips to see the tips details)
.

.
cheerio



If AB ever needs a game organizer/ master, I will definitely recommend you.
Admin Valtron has indicated his wish to step down from hosting the EPL Tipster Challenge.
Subject to approval from above, you have any interest to take over?


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If AB ever needs a game organizer/ master, I will definitely recommend you.
Admin Valtron has indicated his wish to step down from hosting the EPL Tipster Challenge.
Subject to approval from above, you have any interest to take over?



thx.
ok, i'm interested to contribute more to this forum.


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quote originally posted by nil:


thx.
ok, i'm interested to contribute more to this forum.




If you're to take over from Valtron, you've my support too.
One friendly advice - Remember to encourage all fellow tipsters to tag you by "@" when they post picks, so that you won't miss any of their picks.


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A3: There are many ways in fact. You can assemble keyboard warriors or SJWs to defend yourself. You can even create multiple dupes to 'blind' the members that you in fact have a lot of defenders.


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quote originally posted by andyjyneo:

If you're to take over from Valtron, you've my support too.
One friendly advice - Remember to encourage all fellow tipsters to tag you by "@" when they post picks, so that you won't miss any of their picks.




This is a good suggestion, Andy.
It would have made Admin  @Valtron  tasks so much easier too


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quote originally posted by wembly:

This is a good suggestion, Andy.
It would have made Admin  @Valtron  tasks so much easier too




We are all human beings, we're prone to errors and mistakes.
We sometimes might overlook, so it's better to encourage the participants to tag the organiser.


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A2: You block them! When they've no way to defend themselves, they're coward!


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A3: There are many ways in fact. You can assemble keyboard warriors or SJWs to defend yourself. You can even create multiple dupes to 'blind' the members that you in fact have a lot of defenders.


Q4: I won 1 and lost 4 matches. What should I do?
A4: You're encouraged to celebrate your win and ignore the 4 losses. Nobody will harp on it even if you lost overall. Make sure you celebrate like wild!


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quote originally posted by nil:


thx.
ok, i'm interested to contribute more to this forum.




KIV for time being ok? Plenty of time till the next EPL season starts in any case.
Admin Valtron is still considering if he wants to carry on.

This message was edited by wembly on 09-May-2019 at 4:23 PM


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quote originally posted by nil:

thx. ok, i'm interested to contribute more to this forum.



Just saw this reply, hope it's not too late.

Bro nil, if you are keen to take over for next season. I shall handover the BPL Tipster Challenge to you. btw, do you know how to use googlesheet format like I used for the challenge? If you don't know, I can coach you. If yes, my job will be simple. Just use your googlesheet link and you can update on your side. Let me know your thoughts!


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quote originally posted by Valtron:


Just saw this reply, hope it's not too late.

Bro nil, if you are keen to take over for next season. I shall handover the BPL Tipster Challenge to you. btw, do you know how to use googlesheet format like I used for the challenge? If you don't know, I can coach you. If yes, my job will be simple. Just use your googlesheet link and you can update on your side. Let me know your thoughts!




ok bro  @Valtron , PM ed u.
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very true..maybe someone else can take up your case..hehe
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.

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cheerio




I’m in the equation now ok?
To minimize your sufferings, I shall post less.
I have Tennis post too fyi


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quote originally posted by wembly:

I’m in the equation now ok?
To minimize your sufferings, I shall post less.
I have Tennis post too fyi



ok, included u,
hope u dun mind, i think i will just stick to AH & O/U picks.
.
posted May 2019 records in Test section.


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ok, included u,
hope u dun mind, i think i will just stick to AH & O/U picks.
.
posted May 2019 records in Test section.




That’s up to you but I’ve already stated that this on itself, as have Jogk and others, is not a good gauge.
 


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ok, included u,
hope u dun mind, i think i will just stick to AH & O/U picks.
.
posted May 2019 records in Test section.




Since you’re determined to validate the performance of AB Tipsters, I don’t see why you have to exclude admins/ mods. Admins/Mods and AB Tipsters are two separate entities. I’m sure you know that they can be one but not the other though many of the admins are Tipsters too.

Even as an admin, I had shown my support for this validation. I just felt that it wasn’t an easy task for anyone to verify, so please do not get me wrong that I’m only saying the above after stepping down.
 


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