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On my betting hand, I know countless tricks that bookies show through the odds all the time.

Not that I am boasting here but I can say I know what the bookies are thinking when they show me the odds.

However due to the fact, I am not a very good disciplined gambler and hence, I tend to lose control of myself and make a losing bet oftenly where at times, I bet against my knowledge.

Anyway, I am bored nowadays and decide to go slow on gambling due to the fact I made alot of losses on unwanted games. So in between waiting for games I wanna bet nowadays, from time to time I am willing to share some tricks that you can overcome bookies.

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Basics

1. Learn the importance of opening odds and closing odds.

2. There is no sure win. Red card and injuries can always make things complicated.

3. Learn the importance of total goals more than asian handicap.*Extremely important*

4. Dun rely on fixed odds all the time. They cant tell u much but at times, certain fixed odds is a signal that the game is fixed and which is why it is called fixed odds for a reason.

5. Know the total goal handicap odds trend for every league teams. For e.g, Swansea at home this season is either 2, 2.25 or 2.5. 2.25 is the normal odd while 2 is low and 2.5 is high. These 3 levels of goal expectations by bookies and I call it the 3 Tier Handicap. If you see anything higher than these odds it is because asian handicap given is higher than 1 ball. For a start, I wont go so deep into different scenarios.

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Now into things I shouldnt tell and what bookies feared punters knowing.

Dun worry. It doesnt matter if the bookies know I can revealing all these because if they want to make changes it is not possible for them to change due to the fact that it will not go accordance to the poisson model they are using to govern the odds and also run the risk of punters betting on uneven odds.

Lesson 1:

First Scenario

Team A give Team B half ball win 77 eat win 1.05

The total goal handicap is 2.5(assuming it is the highest handicap under the 3 Tier Handicap ruling)

Over win full Under win 80.

Verdict: Take Over 2.5

Decoding Reason: Dun bother about the water money here. Any bookies odds can be used as reference. The trick here is the give ball handicap must be 1 or lower than 1 and the water money must be lower than the Under water money. As you can see, give ball win 77 while Under win 80. This is a trick by bookies wanting ppl to take under.

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Continue Lesson 1:

Second Scenario

Team A give 0.25 to Team B give win 55 eat win 125

Total Handicap is 3 over win 2.15 under win 1.65

Verdict: Take Over 3.

Decoding Reason: Seems familiar right? Now do u remember losing on such games? Same logic applies to the first scenario. This is bookies tactic to fool ppl take Under.

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Things to note:

1. The total goal given must be the highest of the 3 Tier Handicap

2. Opening odds and closing odds must be under same condition where give ball water money is lower than under ball regardless of how the water money drop or rise.

3. Total goal and asian handicap must remain same level.

4. The Over odd water money must be higher than Under odd water money. Cannot both sides win same odd. *IMPORTANT*

5. Odds are based on many famous and major bookies.

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Lets see how is the response here.

I am sure it should be positive.

If you consider me bullshytting, kindly ignore.

You can take what I share for reference first and observe the results yourself.

Anyway, I am just sharing my knowledge. Nothing is gained for me.

Got questions, feel free to ask me.

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A close example of the upcoming game:

Sevilla Vs Zaragoza

The conditions arent the best because the opening odds is Sevilla give 1 ball and total goal handicap is 2.75 but majority of the odds flow Sevilla is giving 1.25 and O/U is 3 ball so I will use this game as an example for you to see.

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04:00 ! Live	Sevilla Real Zaragoza Draw	1.400	1-1.5	0.90	3.0	o	1.00	o	1.00	1.950	0.50	0.95	1.0	o	0.70
		7.400		1.05		u	0.92	e	0.90	5.600		0.95		u	1.25
		5.000								2.450

Odds taken from 'Arse Bee OId'

Time is still 52 mins before KO. I am going to sleep soon. So lets see if it bear truth to what I mentioned hopefully.

I am still awake.

SPAIN LA LIGA
04:00 ! Live	Sevilla Real Zaragoza Draw	1.420	1-1.5	0.97	2.5-3	o	0.85	o	1.00	1.950	0.50	0.95	1.0	o	0.70
		7.200		0.98		u	1.07	e	0.90	5.800		0.95		u	1.25
		4.800								2.430
04:00 ! Live	Sevilla Real Zaragoza Draw		1.50	1.21	3.0	o	1.13				0-0.5	0.60	1-1.5	o	1.16
				0.77		u	0.80					1.42		u	0.76

04:00 ! Live	Sevilla Real Zaragoza Draw		1.0	0.68	2.50	o	0.70
				1.36		u	1.28

Odds changed. Criteria not met. Too many changes to confuse us. Hence, over might not clear. Maybe max 3 goals.

However, Sevilla looks good to clear.

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quote originally posted by KlavierJoenessGavin:

A close example of the upcoming game:

Sevilla Vs Zaragoza

SPAIN LA LIGA
04:00 ! Live	Sevilla Real Zaragoza Draw	1.400	1-1.5	0.90	3.0	o	1.00	o	1.00	1.950	0.50	0.95	1.0	o	0.70
		7.400		1.05		u	0.92	e	0.90	5.600		0.95		u	1.25
		5.000								2.450

Odds taken from 'Arse Bee OId'

thanks again bro.

Time is still 52 mins before KO. I am going to sleep soon. So lets see if it bear truth to what I mentioned hopefully.

going for sevilla to clear handicap bro.

lets see.

thanks again bro.

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quote originally posted by spazz:

going for sevilla to clear handicap bro.

lets see.

thanks again bro.

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TG dropped to 2.75. might not clear but looks good for sevilla to give handicap.

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Romania Liga 1 - Petrolul v CFR Cluj - 14 Apr 2012 01:30
	90 mins	Handicap		Under and Over Goals		1st Half Handicap
Petrolul	4.40	0.5	2.11	Under 2.5	1.75	0/0.5	1.88
CFR Cluj	1.70	-0.5	1.74	Over 2.5	2.05	-0/0.5	1.97
Draw	3.40

This is a very good example! Tomorrow's game. I will keep a look out for you guys. Nite!

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Good Morning!

Latest updates to the Romanian Game.

01:30 ! Live	Petrolul Ploiesti CFR Cluj Draw	4.100		1.16	2.50	o	1.08	o	1.00	4.400		0.87	1.0	o	1.01
		1.730	0.50	0.74		u	0.78	e	0.90	2.400	0-0.5	1.01		u	0.85
		3.350								2.100

It was found that this odd is also the opening odds which is good since from the start it already meets the criteria.

Any changes I will update in this post alone to save posts in the thread. If no changes, I will not update.

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Sorry brudder I m stupid. I still dun quite understand. Can u teach a little more? Thx....

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quote originally posted by Darkman:

Sorry brudder I m stupid. I still dun quite understand. Can u teach a little more? Thx....

In which aspect you dun understand?

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Continue Lesson 1:

Third Scenario

Team A give 0.75 to Team B give win 66 eat win 119

Total Goal Handicap is 2.25 over win 110 under win 70

Verdict: Take Over 2.25

Decoding Reason: Get the hang of it already?

Things to note:

1. The total goal given must be the highest of the 3 Tier Handicap

2. Opening odds and closing odds must be under same condition where give ball water money is lower than under ball regardless of how the water money drop or rise.

3. Total goal and asian handicap must remain same level.

4. The Over odd water money must be higher than Under odd water money. Cannot both sides win same odd. *IMPORTANT*

5. Odds are based on many famous and major bookies.

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Tis 2 I dun understand. Can we try one live match n u explain like Werder tonite.

Dun understand how can both is TG over.

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quote originally posted by KlavierJoenessGavin:

A close example of the upcoming game:

Sevilla Vs Zaragoza

SPAIN LA LIGA
04:00 ! Live	Sevilla Real Zaragoza Draw	1.400	1-1.5	0.90	3.0	o	1.00	o	1.00	1.950	0.50	0.95	1.0	o	0.70
		7.400		1.05		u	0.92	e	0.90	5.600		0.95		u	1.25
		5.000								2.450

Odds taken from 'Arse Bee OId'

Time is still 52 mins before KO. I am going to sleep soon. So lets see if it bear truth to what I mentioned hopefully.

I am still awake.

SPAIN LA LIGA
04:00 ! Live	Sevilla Real Zaragoza Draw	1.420	1-1.5	0.97	2.5-3	o	0.85	o	1.00	1.950	0.50	0.95	1.0	o	0.70
		7.200		0.98		u	1.07	e	0.90	5.800		0.95		u	1.25
		4.800								2.430
04:00 ! Live	Sevilla Real Zaragoza Draw		1.50	1.21	3.0	o	1.13				0-0.5	0.60	1-1.5	o	1.16
				0.77		u	0.80					1.42		u	0.76

04:00 ! Live	Sevilla Real Zaragoza Draw		1.0	0.68	2.50	o	0.70
				1.36		u	1.28

Odds changed. Criteria not met. Too many changes to confuse us. Hence, over might not clear. Maybe max 3 goals.

However, Sevilla looks good to clear.

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Nice!! Well done. Very impressed.

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quote originally posted by Darkman:

Tis 2 I dun understand. Can we try one live match n u explain like Werder tonite.

Dun understand how can both is TG over.

GERMANY BUNDESLIGA
02:30 ! Live	VfB Stuttgart Werder Bremen Draw	1.800	0.50	0.81	3.0	o	0.99	o	1.00	2.330	0-0.5	0.97	1-1.5	o	1.07
		4.200		1.14		u	0.91	e	0.90	4.500		0.93		u	0.83
		3.750								2.230

Werder game is a good example but take note that it is not the perfect example because the opening odds is isnt like the one above. But never mind since it is a learning experience. I will use this game odds to explain.

Majority of the criteria has been met:

1. The total goal handicap is of the highest level among the 3 Tier Handicap Ruling - Stuttgart Home Games Usually Open 2.5, 2.75 or 3.

2. Under Ball water money is lower than Over Ball.

3. Under Ball water money is higher than give ball.

Criteria that are not met:

1. Opening odds is not of above criteria - It would be better if opening odds is of above criteria and closing odds must also meet the above criteria.

2. Opening odds till current odds have changes in Total Goal levels - Opening odds Stuttgart give 0.5 W90 and TG Over 2.75 Win 80.

P.S: Actually based on the opening odds, give ball and over looks good to take based on my odds signal knowledge. I still think Bremen can be a good example if the odds stays similar till KO.

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Found another good example:

Chile Petrobras Primera Division
07:00 ! Live	Union Espanola Rangers Talca Draw	1.510	1.0	0.88	3.0	o	1.02	o	1.00	2.070	0.50	1.08	1-1.5	o	1.00
		6.800		1.04		u	0.88	e	0.90	5.200		0.80		u	0.88
		3.700								2.250

The opening odds which is the same TG handicap and water money while the give ball water money is 85 instead of 88 which is off the current odds has all the criteria met.

I will monitor the same as of the romanian game.

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some games offering 1 plate, 2 plates or 3 plates, which one to follow?? also changing of handicap, how it can affect your pick on TG pick?

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quote originally posted by ang kong kong:

some games offering 1 plate, 2 plates or 3 plates, which one to follow?? also changing of handicap, how it can affect your pick on TG pick?

Always use the first plate for reference. It is the main plate. For those who dunno, this is extremely important.

GERMANY BUNDESLIGA
02:30 ! Live	VfB Stuttgart Werder Bremen Draw	1.800	0.50	0.81	3.0	o	1.01	o	1.00	2.300	0-0.5	0.95	1-1.5	o	1.07
		4.200		1.14		u	0.89	e	0.90	4.600		0.95		u	0.83
		3.750								2.230
02:30 ! Live	VfB Stuttgart Werder Bremen Draw		0.5-1	1.09	2.5-3	o	0.77
				0.85		u	1.14

As for the changing of handicap, for learners in this thread, kindly avoid such games to bet on over. There are many odd signals that can show it is over ball but I wont go into too many signals for this lesson. Learn one first.

Everyday there are many games with stagnant odds. These are the games where u can learn to read odds and tabulate the results for future references.

For example below:

Russia Division 2

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Dinamo Briansk

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0.7	0.5/1	1.06	2012-04-11 19:52:06
0.78	0.5/1	0.98	2012-04-11 19:42:13
0.82	0.5/1	0.94	2012-04-11 19:35:22
0.9	0.5/1	0.86	2012-04-11 19:27:05
0.96	0.5/1	0.8	2012-04-11 19:25:44
0.9	0.5/1	0.86	2012-04-11 19:24:53
0.78	0.5/1	0.98	2012-04-11 17:59:49
0.8	0.5/1	0.96	2012-04-11 17:56:48
0.85	0.5/1	0.91	2012-04-11 17:52:15
0.91	0.5/1	0.85	2012-04-11 17:49:47
0.9	0.5/1	0.86	2012-04-11 17:46:53
0.84	0.5/1	0.92	2012-04-11 17:43:21
0.78	0.5/1	0.98	2012-04-11 14:46:42(Initial)

0.9	2.5	0.86	21:58 11/04/2012
0.96	2.5	0.8	21:41 11/04/2012
1.01	2.5	0.75	16:48 11/04/2012
0.98	2.5	0.78	16:47 11/04/2012
0.91	2.5	0.85	14:46 11/04/2012(Initial)

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Always use the first plate for reference. It is the main plate. For those who dunno, this is extremely important.

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02:30 ! Live	VfB Stuttgart Werder Bremen Draw	1.800	0.50	0.81	3.0	o	1.01	o	1.00	2.300	0-0.5	0.95	1-1.5	o	1.07
		4.200		1.14		u	0.89	e	0.90	4.600		0.95		u	0.83
		3.750								2.230
02:30 ! Live	VfB Stuttgart Werder Bremen Draw		0.5-1	1.09	2.5-3	o	0.77
				0.85		u	1.14

Everyday there are many games with stagnant odds. These are the games where u can learn to read odds and tabulate the results for future references.

For example below:

Russia Division 2

Mordovia Saransk

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Dinamo Briansk

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0.7	0.5/1	1.06	2012-04-11 19:52:06
0.78	0.5/1	0.98	2012-04-11 19:42:13
0.82	0.5/1	0.94	2012-04-11 19:35:22
0.9	0.5/1	0.86	2012-04-11 19:27:05
0.96	0.5/1	0.8	2012-04-11 19:25:44
0.9	0.5/1	0.86	2012-04-11 19:24:53
0.78	0.5/1	0.98	2012-04-11 17:59:49
0.8	0.5/1	0.96	2012-04-11 17:56:48
0.85	0.5/1	0.91	2012-04-11 17:52:15
0.91	0.5/1	0.85	2012-04-11 17:49:47
0.9	0.5/1	0.86	2012-04-11 17:46:53
0.84	0.5/1	0.92	2012-04-11 17:43:21
0.78	0.5/1	0.98	2012-04-11 14:46:42(Initial)

0.9	2.5	0.86	21:58 11/04/2012
0.96	2.5	0.8	21:41 11/04/2012
1.01	2.5	0.75	16:48 11/04/2012
0.98	2.5	0.78	16:47 11/04/2012
0.91	2.5	0.85	14:46 11/04/2012(Initial)

Final score 3-1. HT 2-1.

wow....thanks for the explaination.....

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2 Additional potential over games:

6pm Korean National League

18:00 ! Live	Gimhae City Ansan Hallelujah Draw	2.000	0-0.5	0.75	2.5-3	o	1.03	o	0.96	2.540	0-0.5	1.11	1.0	o	0.76
		3.300		1.09		u	0.79	e	0.90	4.000		0.74		u	1.06
		3.150								2.110

Opening Odds dun meeting the criteria but it has been morph to such odds without changing handicaps for both o/u and asian and it has been consistently like this. Betting on over for Korean games is difficult due to the playing style they adopt but 2.75 is the highest of the 3 Tier Handicap Ruling. I believe there is a good chance on over if odds stays this way till KO.

2.30am English Conference League

English Conference National
02:30 ! Live	Fleetwood Town Lincoln City Draw	1.280	1-1.5	0.65	3.0	o	1.05	o	1.00	1.750	0.50	0.76	1-1.5	o	1.03
		11.500		1.36		u	0.85	e	0.90	6.600		1.13		u	0.85
		4.800								2.510

Exactly same scenario as above. We will see later.

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bro, paiseh i jump the gun a bit...how do u read if it's "good to give ball"? u mentioned in ur example Sevilla vs Zaragoza that Sevilla "looks good to clear"...kumsia!

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quote originally posted by lacroix:

bro, paiseh i jump the gun a bit...how do u read if it's "good to give ball"? u mentioned in ur example Sevilla vs Zaragoza that Sevilla "looks good to clear"...kumsia!

i will not cover this in this lesson. sorry bro.

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no probs bro!
anyways just wanna calrify something regarding ur first lesson...do we refer to the original AH for the reading?...and for TG plate, we have to refer to the highest plate offered?...and if the criteria do not meet, does it mean we take TG under? thanks!

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quote originally posted by lacroix:

nono. pls do not think opposite of this kind of odds reading means under.

My lesson here is to show you guys one of the odds signal adopted by bookies is favourable for over to clear.

Over got a few over odd signals that I know same goes to Under, give ball and eat ball.

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and does this method apply to first half betting also? thanks!

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quote originally posted by lacroix:

and does this method apply to first half betting also? thanks!

aha!

Ok I am not really well trained on FH total goal trend for any particular home teams but if u based on the FT O/U handicap given, you can rough gauge on how a FH O/U handicap is. Always remember FH O/U handicap is less than half of the FT O/U handicap. and yes criteria still applies.

Refer to the game I posted just a while ago.

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02:30 ! Live	Fleetwood Town Lincoln City Draw	1.300	1-1.5	0.69	3.0	o	1.03	o	1.00	1.750	0.50	0.76	1-1.5	o	1.03
		10.500		1.29		u	0.87	e	0.90	6.600		1.13		u	0.85
		4.700								2.510

Though opening odds for FT in this game does not meet the criteria but in these scenario at current odds it is a perfect criteria for over to happen on both halves. Hopefully, the odds is shaped this way till KO.

The risk here is the given handicap is slightly high. A basic rule in betting over is the Asian Handicap must be low while the Total Goal Handicap must be high in order to ensure both teams share the load of scoring goals.

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ok let's see if this game is TG over for FH and FT

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bro does this formula work in running football? like in a middle of 20 mins?

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quote originally posted by ray ray:

bro does this formula work in running football? like in a middle of 20 mins?

running ball got running ball odds signal. the above might not apply during the midst of the game.

but for second half odds, it should apply as well.

However, a thing to note, the odds signal for FT overrides FH or SH odds because the outcome is more or less dictated by the FT odds already.

Your priority should focus on FT odds. And SH odds is always more accurate than FH odds because the odds trader more or less know the game flow based on the in play stats given.

Y FH odds is the least accurate among the 3? Simply because FH sometimes the players still not warmed up yet and still playing cautiously against each other. This is what I feel.

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quote originally posted by KlavierJoenessGavin:

running ball got running ball odds signal. the above might not apply during the midst of the game.

but for second half odds, it should apply as well.

However, a thing to note, the odds signal for FT overrides FH or SH odds because the outcome is more or less dictated by the FT odds already.

Your priority should focus on FT odds. And SH odds is always more accurate than FH odds because the odds trader more or less know the game flow based on the in play stats given.

Y FH odds is the least accurate among the 3? Simply because FH sometimes the players still not warmed up yet and still playing cautiously against each other. This is what I feel.

thx bro, what is the sign for running ball?

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Was afk just now. Lets look at the Gimhae game.

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0.82	0/0.5	1	2012-04-13 17:59:44
0.87	0/0.5	0.95	2012-04-13 17:54:03
0.94	0/0.5	0.88	2012-04-13 17:44:37
0.97	0/0.5	0.85	2012-04-13 17:41:42
0.95	0/0.5	0.87	2012-04-13 17:40:23
0.9	0/0.5	0.92	2012-04-13 17:39:12
0.85	0/0.5	0.97	2012-04-13 04:54:49
0.85	0/0.5	0.91	2012-04-12 21:14:51
0.82	0/0.5	0.94	2012-04-12 20:55:08(Initial)

1.05	2.5/3	0.75	17:59 13/04/2012
1.08	2.5/3	0.72	17:57 13/04/2012
1.1	2.5/3	0.7	17:53 13/04/2012
1.07	2.5/3	0.73	17:46 13/04/2012
1.08	2.5/3	0.72	17:44 13/04/2012
1.05	2.5/3	0.75	17:40 13/04/2012
1	2.5/3	0.8	17:39 13/04/2012
0.98	2.5/3	0.82	17:33 13/04/2012
0.88	2.5/3	0.92	12:25 13/04/2012
0.89	2.5/3	0.91	04:54 13/04/2012
0.85	2.5/3	0.91	20:55 12/04/2012(Initial)

As I have mentioned previously, opening odds did not meet the criteria.

Halfway on the odds movement before KO, it met the criteria for awhile in the afternoon.

Just before KO, it did not meet the criteria and hence, ran the risk of losing this bet.

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Al Ahli Dubai	Handicap	Dubai	Update Time
0.64	0.5/1	1.22	2012-04-13 21:51:55
0.6	0.5/1	1.26	2012-04-13 21:34:01
0.62	0.5/1	1.24	2012-04-13 21:18:31
0.68	0.5/1	1.18	2012-04-13 20:42:54
0.7	0.5/1	1.16	2012-04-13 20:38:45
0.74	0.5/1	1.12	2012-04-13 20:32:32
0.7	0.5/1	1.16	2012-04-13 20:25:54
0.68	0.5/1	1.18	2012-04-13 19:50:07
0.8	0.5/1	1.06	2012-04-13 19:32:20
0.84	0.5/1	1.02	2012-04-13 19:15:30
0.85	0.5/1	1.01	2012-04-13 18:47:39(Initial)

Over

O/U

Under

Time Updated

1.04	3	0.8	21:55 13/04/2012
1.09	3	0.75	21:51 13/04/2012
1.14	3	0.7	21:48 13/04/2012
1.09	3	0.75	21:47 13/04/2012
0.99	3	0.85	21:46 13/04/2012
1.04	3	0.8	21:41 13/04/2012
0.99	3	0.85	21:38 13/04/2012
0.94	3	0.9	21:37 13/04/2012
0.89	3	0.95	21:20 13/04/2012
0.84	3	1	20:25 13/04/2012
0.85	3	0.99	19:48 13/04/2012
0.87	3	0.97	19:08 13/04/2012
0.92	3	0.92	19:08 13/04/2012
0.9	3	0.94	19:07 13/04/2012
0.82	3	1.02	18:59 13/04/2012
0.87	3	0.97	18:58 13/04/2012
0.82	3	1.02	18:56 13/04/2012
0.87	3	0.97	18:56 13/04/2012
0.92	3	0.92	18:47 13/04/2012(Initial)

Perfect. Should be over!

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Banni Yas	Handicap	Al Nasr(UAE)	Update Time
0.7	0	1.16	2012-04-13 21:50:19
0.77	0	1.09	2012-04-13 21:49:34
0.82	0	1.04	2012-04-13 21:40:53
0.86	0	1	2012-04-13 21:24:45
0.9	0	0.96	2012-04-13 21:22:57
0.86	0	1	2012-04-13 20:37:35
0.94	0	0.92	2012-04-13 20:17:24
0.9	0	0.96	2012-04-13 20:14:52
0.86	0	1	2012-04-13 20:10:40
0.82	0	1.04	2012-04-13 19:49:24
0.86	0	1	2012-04-13 19:29:54
0.8	0	1.06	2012-04-13 18:47:39(Initial)

Over

O/U

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Time Updated

0.98	3	0.86	21:56 13/04/2012
0.989	3	0.851	21:55 13/04/2012
1.039	3	0.801	18:47 13/04/2012(Initial)

This game might be easier to over. Lets see.

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Can this game go over as well? Looks good.

Iran Pro League
22:25 ! Live	Esteghlal Tehran Saba Qom Draw	1.690	0.50	0.73	2.50	o	0.97	o	0.96	2.400	0-0.5	0.99	1.0	o	0.92
		4.200		1.12		u	0.85	e	0.90	4.200		0.85		u	0.90
		3.500								2.160

Esteghlal Tehran	Handicap	Saba Battery	Update Time
0.804	0.5	1.016	2012-04-13 22:07:56
0.754	0.5	1.066	2012-04-13 17:58:45(Initial)

Over

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0.94	2.5	0.86	22:03 13/04/2012
0.88	2.5	0.92	20:44 13/04/2012
0.86	2.5	0.94	20:43 13/04/2012
0.92	2.5	0.88	18:06 13/04/2012
0.98	2.5	0.82	18:01 13/04/2012
0.95	2.5	0.85	17:58 13/04/2012(Initial)

We will see as well. =)

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Al Ahly 3-0 up! Safe! 24 min.

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Al Ahly 3-0 up! Safe! 24 min.

bro can we judge the odd like 2nd min in the game?

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13-Apr 2012 Friday 10:33 PM (4397 days ago)

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quote originally posted by ray ray:

bro can we judge the odd like 2nd min in the game?

no comments. i personally think once the match starts, it cannot be said to be accurate.

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13-Apr 2012 Friday 10:34 PM (4397 days ago)

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quote originally posted by KlavierJoenessGavin:

Al Ahly 3-0 up! Safe! 24 min.

4-1 37 min.

Fake odds from bookie. W210? YUM YUM.

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13-Apr 2012 Friday 10:48 PM (4397 days ago)

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Bani 1-0 HT

Este 1-0 16 min.

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13-Apr 2012 Friday 11:15 PM (4397 days ago)

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Bani 1-1 55 min

est 3-0 43 min

Este cleared!

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Bani 2-1 56 min. SAFE!

Those following my thread, hope u gain some money here.

I am off now. See u later. Lets hope there are more such games to spot.

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13-Apr 2012 Friday 11:23 PM (4397 days ago)

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quote originally posted by ray ray:

thx bro, what is the sign for running ball?

running ball is different from this. as i have mentioned there are alot of odd signals for over or under ball FT and give or eat ball FT.

running has its on set of odds signals i am yet to go thru on this. bear in mind, i am not running expert but i will probably share some tips on one of the next few lessons.

as for when is the next few lessons? i dunno. its not easy for me to impart so much findings easily after so many years of gambling.

apologise if i had disappoint, =)

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13-Apr 2012 Friday 11:36 PM (4397 days ago)

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LIVE 12:00AM
GKS Belchatow
Jagiellonia Bialystok
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looks gd for over yah bro?

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quote originally posted by ray ray:

LIVE 12:00AM
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Jagiellonia Bialystok
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looks gd for over yah bro?

Criteria not met.2.25 is not the highest of the 3 tier handicap ruling.2.5 is the correct one for polish home games.

Bani 2-2

Fake odds w2.05 owned!

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yeah nice BRO KlavierJoenessGavin,, thanks for sharing

waitin for another tips

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quote originally posted by ray ray:

LIVE 12:00AM
GKS Belchatow
Jagiellonia Bialystok
Draw

looks gd for over yah bro?

1-0
1H 2' GKS Belchatow
Jagiellonia Bialystok

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Obolon Kiev
Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
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this one gd?

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14-Apr 2012 Saturday 12:11 AM (4397 days ago)

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quote originally posted by gilabolacoy:

1-0
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Looking gd for u.2.25 is the middle handicap under this ruling.for a start, I would prefer teaching the correct rules. I wouldn't want u guys to take unnecessary risks.hope u win bro.

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LIVE 12:15AM
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this one gd?

No.criteria not met at opening n closing odds.2.25 is middle tier.

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looks gd bro?

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quote originally posted by ray ray:

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WAC St. Andra
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looks gd bro?

No.there are changes in Asian handicap.

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bro where/ which website u use to check for opening n closing odd?

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bro where/ which website u use to check for opening n closing odd?

carefully bro on this forum are not allowed to mention the site

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bro where/ which website u use to check for opening n closing odd?

7m sports or now goal

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Hi everyone pls skip the Romanian cluj game.odds has changed.

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this one bro? gd?

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Sorry bros. Just reach home.

Stuttgart did not meet the criteria eventually but still over. I dun consider this as a valid result.

Fleetwood eventually increase handicap before KO but still over. Again dun consider this as a valid result.

As for Barnet:

0.7 0/0.5 1.2 2012-04-14 02:41:38
0.68 0/0.5 1.22 2012-04-14 02:40:30
0.7 0/0.5 1.2 2012-04-14 02:36:43
0.75 0/0.5 1.15 2012-04-14 02:33:56
0.72 0/0.5 1.18 2012-04-14 02:06:18
0.7 0/0.5 1.2 2012-04-14 02:04:43
0.73 0/0.5 1.17 2012-04-14 01:57:11
0.77 0/0.5 1.13 2012-04-14 01:46:28
0.75 0/0.5 1.15 2012-04-14 01:44:09
0.79 0/0.5 1.11 2012-04-14 01:36:35
0.77 0/0.5 1.13 2012-04-14 01:33:31
0.75 0/0.5 1.15 2012-04-14 01:02:47
0.73 0/0.5 1.17 2012-04-14 01:01:31
0.71 0/0.5 1.19 2012-04-13 23:52:12
0.73 0/0.5 1.17 2012-04-13 19:29:47
0.75 0/0.5 1.15 2012-04-13 18:55:29
0.79 0/0.5 1.11 2012-04-13 18:38:01
0.78 0/0.5 1.12 2012-04-13 18:25:23
0.8 0/0.5 1.1 2012-04-13 18:18:06
0.78 0/0.5 1.12 2012-04-13 17:53:55
0.77 0/0.5 1.13 2012-04-13 06:36:14
0.77 0/0.5 1.11 2012-04-12 19:15:18
0.8 0/0.5 1.08 2012-04-11 18:15:36
0.78 0/0.5 1.1 2012-04-11 17:55:04
0.84 0/0.5 1.04 2012-04-11 16:54:40
0.9 0/0.5 0.98 2012-04-10 22:54:37(Initial)

1.04 2.5 0.82 02:43 14/04/2012
1 2.5 0.86 02:40 14/04/2012
1.04 2.5 0.82 02:39 14/04/2012
1 2.5 0.86 02:38 14/04/2012
1.02 2.5 0.84 02:33 14/04/2012
1 2.5 0.86 02:01 14/04/2012
0.96 2.5 0.9 02:00 14/04/2012
1 2.5 0.86 01:57 14/04/2012
0.92 2.5 0.94 01:36 14/04/2012
1 2.5 0.86 01:27 14/04/2012
0.96 2.5 0.9 01:08 14/04/2012
0.92 2.5 0.94 00:56 14/04/2012
1 2.5 0.86 00:50 14/04/2012
0.92 2.5 0.94 00:49 14/04/2012
0.96 2.5 0.9 23:01 13/04/2012
0.95 2.5 0.91 22:59 13/04/2012
0.91 2.5 0.95 22:11 13/04/2012
0.95 2.5 0.91 19:07 13/04/2012
0.99 2.5 0.87 18:42 13/04/2012
0.97 2.5 0.89 17:53 13/04/2012
0.93 2.5 0.93 22:54 10/04/2012(Initial)

BARNET DID NOT MEET THE COMPLETE CRITERIA. TG 2.5 IS NOT THE HIGHEST 3 TIER HANDICAP RULING FOR THEIR HOME GAMES. IT MUST BE 2.75! SO FAILED TO CLEAR.

Bayonne vs Paris FC

0.84 0/0.5 1.04 2012-04-14 01:18:19
0.83 0/0.5 1.05 2012-04-14 01:08:33
0.85 0/0.5 1.03 2012-04-14 00:59:57
0.93 0/0.5 0.95 2012-04-14 00:57:39
0.96 0/0.5 0.92 2012-04-14 00:55:24
0.99 0/0.5 0.89 2012-04-13 23:55:17
0.98 0/0.5 0.9 2012-04-13 23:51:05
1.01 0/0.5 0.87 2012-04-13 23:14:38
0.98 0/0.5 0.9 2012-04-13 22:39:49
1.02 0/0.5 0.86 2012-04-13 21:57:10
1.05 0/0.5 0.83 2012-04-13 19:51:41
1.08 0/0.5 0.8 2012-04-13 19:32:09
1.05 0/0.5 0.83 2012-04-13 18:55:28
1.08 0/0.5 0.8 2012-04-13 18:54:47
1.09 0/0.5 0.79 2012-04-13 18:53:01
0.98 0/0.5 0.9 2012-04-13 17:55:47
1.07 0/0.5 0.81 2012-04-12 16:15:09
1.11 0/0.5 0.77 2012-04-12 15:34:37(Initial)

Over O/U Under Time Updated
0.97 2/2.5 0.89 17:55 13/04/2012
0.96 2/2.5 0.9 16:15 12/04/2012
1.01 2/2.5 0.85 15:34 12/04/2012(Initial)

DID NOT MEET OPENING ODDS AND 3 TIER HANDICAP RULING CRITERIA BUT LUCKILY STILL OVER.

THE HIGHEST 3 TIER HANDICAP RULING FOR SUCH FRENCH GAMES IS 2.5 FOR TG.

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Next coming game I mentioned previously:

Union Espanola Handicap Rangers Talca Update Time
0.57 1 1.33 2012-04-14 05:03:13
0.58 1 1.32 2012-04-14 05:01:02
0.59 1 1.31 2012-04-14 04:32:24
0.6 1 1.3 2012-04-14 04:25:54
0.61 1 1.29 2012-04-14 04:25:23
0.59 1 1.31 2012-04-14 03:52:33
0.6 1 1.3 2012-04-14 03:52:03
0.59 1 1.31 2012-04-14 03:51:18
0.6 1 1.3 2012-04-14 03:49:14
0.61 1 1.29 2012-04-14 03:45:22
0.63 1 1.27 2012-04-14 03:29:57
0.62 1 1.28 2012-04-14 03:17:55
0.63 1 1.27 2012-04-14 03:15:21
0.65 1 1.25 2012-04-14 03:13:41
0.68 1 1.22 2012-04-14 02:41:41
0.7 1 1.2 2012-04-13 23:30:41
0.72 1 1.18 2012-04-13 23:28:38
0.69 1 1.21 2012-04-13 21:55:44
0.71 1 1.19 2012-04-13 18:51:03
0.74 1 1.16 2012-04-13 18:04:20
0.77 1 1.13 2012-04-13 17:57:45
0.8 1 1.1 2012-04-13 17:56:13
0.86 1 1.04 2012-04-13 12:10:32
0.85 1 1.05 2012-04-13 12:08:50
0.84 1 1.06 2012-04-13 12:07:58
0.85 1 1.05 2012-04-13 12:07:25
0.88 1 1.02 2012-04-13 07:34:55
0.91 1 0.99 2012-04-13 07:16:02
0.85 1 1.05 2012-04-13 06:36:25
0.85 1 1.03 2012-04-12 18:54:44(Initial)

Over O/U Under Time Updated
0.75 3 1.11 05:02 14/04/2012
0.76 3 1.1 05:01 14/04/2012
0.8 3 1.06 04:47 14/04/2012
0.82 3 1.04 04:46 14/04/2012
0.78 3 1.08 04:45 14/04/2012
0.82 3 1.04 04:37 14/04/2012
0.86 3 1 04:35 14/04/2012
0.82 3 1.04 04:26 14/04/2012
0.78 3 1.08 04:25 14/04/2012
0.82 3 1.04 04:06 14/04/2012
0.78 3 1.08 04:06 14/04/2012
0.82 3 1.04 03:17 14/04/2012
0.83 3 1.03 03:16 14/04/2012
0.88 3 0.98 02:36 14/04/2012
0.84 3 1.02 02:35 14/04/2012
0.88 3 0.98 22:05 13/04/2012
0.92 3 0.94 19:08 13/04/2012
0.96 3 0.9 18:54 12/04/2012(Initial)

As of current moment, the odds did not meet the criteria but I strongly believe over still stands a good chance. I will stay awake till 7 am.

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9am game:

Not perfect as current odds does not meet criteria but good chance to over as well.

Necaxa	Handicap	CSyD Dorados de Sinaloa	Update Time
0.73	0.5/1	1.09	2012-04-14 05:10:33
0.78	0.5/1	1.04	2012-04-14 05:03:11
0.73	0.5/1	1.09	2012-04-14 05:01:01
0.78	0.5/1	1.04	2012-04-14 04:55:47
0.73	0.5/1	1.09	2012-04-14 04:45:08
0.78	0.5/1	1.04	2012-04-14 04:30:00
0.82	0.5/1	1	2012-04-14 04:28:42
0.77	0.5/1	1.05	2012-04-14 04:10:52
0.82	0.5/1	1	2012-04-14 03:54:52
0.87	0.5/1	0.95	2012-04-14 03:19:57
0.82	0.5/1	1	2012-04-14 03:06:14
0.87	0.5/1	0.95	2012-04-14 02:22:46
0.92	0.5/1	0.9	2012-04-14 01:58:47
0.87	0.5/1	0.95	2012-04-14 00:48:15
0.92	0.5/1	0.9	2012-04-14 00:28:36
0.97	0.5/1	0.85	2012-04-13 23:28:42
1.02	0.5/1	0.8	2012-04-13 22:01:48
0.92	0.5/1	0.9	2012-04-13 22:00:30
0.9	0.5/1	0.92	2012-04-13 21:58:42
0.97	0.5/1	0.85	2012-04-13 21:56:38
1	0.5/1	0.82	2012-04-13 19:52:02
1.02	0.5/1	0.8	2012-04-13 19:47:31
1.03	0.5/1	0.79	2012-04-13 19:24:44
1.08	0.5/1	0.74	2012-04-13 19:12:20
1.03	0.5/1	0.79	2012-04-13 19:10:09
1.08	0.5/1	0.74	2012-04-13 19:09:33
1.03	0.5/1	0.79	2012-04-13 19:07:11
0.93	0.5/1	0.89	2012-04-13 19:04:29
0.83	0.5/1	0.99	2012-04-13 18:42:31
0.822	0.5/1	0.998	2012-04-13 18:40:35
0.772	0.5/1	1.048	2012-04-13 18:28:20(Initial)

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0.7	2.5	1.1	05:39 14/04/2012
0.74	2.5	1.06	05:22 14/04/2012
0.72	2.5	1.08	05:08 14/04/2012
0.78	2.5	1.02	04:53 14/04/2012
0.76	2.5	1.04	04:52 14/04/2012
0.7	2.5	1.1	04:51 14/04/2012
0.76	2.5	1.04	04:51 14/04/2012
0.85	2.5	0.95	04:49 14/04/2012
0.83	2.5	0.97	04:49 14/04/2012
0.89	2.5	0.91	04:35 14/04/2012
0.95	2.5	0.85	03:17 14/04/2012
0.89	2.5	0.91	01:32 14/04/2012
0.95	2.5	0.85	18:28 13/04/2012(Initial)

Durians should drop.

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9.30 am game

Correcaminos UAT	Handicap	Irapuato	Update Time
0.74	0.5	1.08	2012-04-14 05:36:18
0.79	0.5	1.03	2012-04-14 05:35:53
0.74	0.5	1.08	2012-04-14 04:58:49
0.77	0.5	1.05	2012-04-14 04:52:11
0.72	0.5	1.1	2012-04-14 04:44:07
0.75	0.5	1.07	2012-04-14 04:42:56
0.7	0.5	1.12	2012-04-14 04:00:09
0.67	0.5	1.15	2012-04-14 03:59:29
0.72	0.5	1.1	2012-04-14 03:59:03
0.7	0.5	1.12	2012-04-14 03:55:49
0.75	0.5	1.07	2012-04-14 03:05:47
0.82	0.5	1	2012-04-14 02:19:52
1	0.5	0.82	2012-04-14 02:16:38
1.05	0.5	0.77	2012-04-14 02:15:48
1	0.5	0.82	2012-04-14 02:11:06
1.02	0.5	0.8	2012-04-13 21:15:29
0.97	0.5	0.85	2012-04-13 20:31:32
1.02	0.5	0.8	2012-04-13 19:47:32
1.05	0.5	0.77	2012-04-13 19:30:08
1.1	0.5	0.72	2012-04-13 19:27:00
0.85	0.5	0.97	2012-04-13 18:28:23(Initial)

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0.95	2.5	0.85	05:18 14/04/2012
0.89	2.5	0.91	05:17 14/04/2012
0.83	2.5	0.97	05:04 14/04/2012
0.89	2.5	0.91	04:54 14/04/2012
1.01	2.5	0.79	22:16 13/04/2012
0.95	2.5	0.85	18:28 13/04/2012(Initial)

Durians must drop!!!!!!!

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Good morning bro, i felt fortunate that i hv you to share how 2 read odds for a DUMMY like me. Till today i dont know wats all abt. My wins on matches is based on gut feel. Wats is the best time for an accurate rEAdING? Thanks bro, By the way to share my joy,i have a big win frm Stuggart . I bought PICK THe SCore 4-1 from the net for this match, and Bingo! I got it ! Plus i whack Big on stuggart ! I WILL SLOWLY DIGEST WAT U HAVE TAUGHT, BUT STILL I THINK I HAVE NO BRAINS OR FLAIR FOR THAT.

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dun worry. take ur time to digest and understand. i will try to post as many tips using this lesson 1 odd reading in thread before i go on to any other lessons.

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Union 2-0 24 mins.

Give me 2 more lar........

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Union 2-0 24 mins.

Give me 2 more lar........

Like that also can? this game does not follow your criteria.

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Morning Shifu..I still catch no balls..Nvm, I just follow your bets okie..

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Union FT 2-1. Could have done better. No win no lose.

Necaxa 3-0 FT. $$$$

Com 2-1 FT $$$$

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quote originally posted by kokster85:

Like that also can? this game does not follow your criteria.

yes. for union and necaxa game only opening odds met criteria but in this scenario I would say is a little bit special.

bearing in mind, the give ball water money is definitely lower than under ball money which is at 110 region. *Criteria Met for both opening and closing*

TG handicap is the highest among the 3 Tier Handicap Ruling. *Criteria Met for both closing and opening*

No handicap changes to AHO and TG. *Criteria Met for both closing and opening*

Over ball water money must be higher than Under ball water money.*Not met at closing odds but over ball winning at 70s region and below.*
(For this is based on my personal experience, got chance to open over.)

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Seems perfect except the tg handicap 2.5 seems to me it is in the middle tier of the 3 Tier Handicap Ruling. Not exactly an Estonian League bettor but the asian handicap given is level ball which is very low.

Low handicap with mid/high tg handicap = goals scoring chances are higher because both teams will be attacking often.(I have said this before but doesnt mean sure over.)

Nomme JK Kalju	Handicap	FC Flora Tallinn	Update Time
0.72	0	1.1	2012-04-14 18:12:43
0.73	0	1.09	2012-04-14 18:08:38
0.78	0	1.04	2012-04-14 17:35:27
0.76	0	1	2012-04-14 17:30:26(Initial)

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0.92	2.5	0.88	17:35 14/04/2012
0.91	2.5	0.85	17:30 14/04/2012(Initial)

3.5 out of 4 criteria met. Good chance durians should drop on this game.

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Nomme JK Kalju	Handicap	FC Flora Tallinn	Update Time
0.72	0	1.1	2012-04-14 18:12:43
0.73	0	1.09	2012-04-14 18:08:38
0.78	0	1.04	2012-04-14 17:35:27
0.76	0	1	2012-04-14 17:30:26(Initial)

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0.97	2.5	0.83	18:08 14/04/2012
0.92	2.5	0.88	17:35 14/04/2012
0.91	2.5	0.85	17:30 14/04/2012(Initial)

3.5 out of 4 criteria met. Good chance durians should drop on this game.

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FT died 2-0 nia.

Odds 2.5 I suspect might be even the lowest of the 3 Tier Handicap Ruling. Seldom bet Estonian league.

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Hi Bro, thanks for sharing!

Based on your experience, this method works best in which leagues?

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quote originally posted by hanshen888:

Hi Bro, thanks for sharing!

Based on your experience, this method works best in which leagues?

it can work on all leagues. u must know the total handicap odds for the league well in order to use this method.

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hi bro, can i say that if the TG plate is opened at 2.25, then the high plate that we should refer to is the 2.5 one? is it a must to monitor the odds movement till just before KO?

i noticed that such scenarios hardly happens for the major european leagues...

thanks for teaching us! really appreciate it!

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what do u mean by the highlighted text?

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i was wondering how do we see if a certain TG plate is the highest plate according to the 3 tier concept...

so for example, just now liverpool vs everton main TG plate was 2.25...so the highest plate shd be 2.5 or 2.75?...

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quote originally posted by lacroix:

I guess i will create a new thread to explain what is '3 Tier Handicap Ruling'. Hang in there for awhile.

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quote originally posted by KlavierJoenessGavin:

I guess i will create a new thread to explain what is '3 Tier Handicap Ruling'. Hang in there for awhile.

alrights!
thanks for the efforts! and paiseh abt all the noob questions...just wanna learn how to fish instead of being spoon fed

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Upcoming game at 7pm:

Okzhetpes	Handicap	FK Atyrau	Update Time
1.29	+0	0.53	2012-04-15 16:09:47
1.2	+0	0.62	2012-04-15 16:04:57
1.15	+0	0.67	2012-04-15 16:03:14
1.12	+0	0.7	2012-04-15 15:59:33
1.07	+0	0.75	2012-04-15 15:56:44
1.12	+0	0.7	2012-04-15 15:55:01
1.22	+0	0.6	2012-04-15 15:49:28
1.04	+0	0.78	2012-04-15 15:10:26
1.01	+0	0.75	2012-04-15 14:30:56(Initial)

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1.16	2.5	0.64	17:49 15/04/2012
1.1	2.5	0.7	17:46 15/04/2012
0.98	2.5	0.82	15:10 15/04/2012
0.98	2.5	0.78	15:06 15/04/2012
0.91	2.5	0.85	14:30 15/04/2012(Initial)

Looks perfect. 3 Tier Handicap = 2, 2.25, 2.5

Not expert in Kazahstan league but DURIANS WILL DROP IN THIS GAME.

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KAZ PR

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57'2nd

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1 - 2

FK Atyrau^[11]

Odds for over 2.5 W2.20

Free money!

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KAZ PR

19:00

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Odds for over 2.5 W2.20

Free money!

swee swee lar!

but this method will work with middle tier goal handicap?

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quote originally posted by hanshen888:

swee swee lar!

but this method will work with middle tier goal handicap?

better not. risky.

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quote originally posted by KlavierJoenessGavin:

better not. risky.

Sifu, anymore tips/lessons. Really keen to learn from you!

Previously always bet blindly, waste money.

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Not perfect situation but let me explain why it is worth going for.

Lille	Handicap	Ajaccio	Update Time
0.85	1.5	1.05	2012-04-15 22:03:29
0.87	1.5	1.03	2012-04-15 21:55:04
0.86	1.5	1.04	2012-04-15 21:51:54
0.84	1.5	1.06	2012-04-15 21:29:38
0.85	1.5	1.05	2012-04-15 21:08:33
0.87	1.5	1.03	2012-04-15 20:56:42
0.84	1.5	1.06	2012-04-15 19:09:49
0.85	1.5	1.05	2012-04-15 18:30:56
0.87	1.5	1.03	2012-04-15 18:13:11
0.89	1.5	1	2012-04-15 17:59:17
1.02	1.5	0.88	2012-04-15 17:55:06
1.04	1.5	0.86	2012-04-15 17:50:43
1.02	1.5	0.88	2012-04-15 16:29:53
1.01	1.5	0.88	2012-04-15 16:25:50
0.99	1.5	0.9	2012-04-15 16:00:00
0.97	1.5	0.92	2012-04-15 15:48:44
0.99	1.5	0.9	2012-04-15 15:11:18
0.97	1.5	0.92	2012-04-15 14:33:10
0.98	1.5	0.91	2012-04-15 13:22:50
0.96	1.5	0.93	2012-04-15 13:01:28
0.97	1.5	0.93	2012-04-15 08:15:52
0.99	1.5	0.91	2012-04-15 06:14:44
0.97	1.5	0.91	2012-04-13 23:55:29
0.94	1.5	0.94	2012-04-13 20:55:06
0.97	1.5	0.91	2012-04-13 01:54:48
1	1.5	0.88	2012-04-10 21:34:58
0.98	1.5	0.9	2012-04-10 19:35:18
0.97	1.5	0.91	2012-04-10 03:54:32
0.95	1.5	0.93	2012-04-09 21:57:18
0.91	1.5	0.97	2012-04-09 17:35:04
0.88	1.5	1	2012-04-09 10:54:52
1.11	1.5/2	0.77	2012-04-09 02:34:45
1.08	1.5/2	0.8	2012-04-08 18:34:50(Initial)

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0.96	3	0.92	22:01 15/04/2012
0.94	3	0.94	21:33 15/04/2012
0.98	3	0.9	20:20 15/04/2012
1.02	3	0.86	18:30 15/04/2012
0.77	2.5/3	1.11	18:13 15/04/2012
0.91	2.5/3	0.97	16:29 15/04/2012
0.88	2.5/3	1	14:25 15/04/2012
0.91	2.5/3	0.97	06:35 15/04/2012
0.88	2.5/3	1	06:14 15/04/2012
0.88	2.5/3	0.98	18:34 08/04/2012(Initial)

Lille's home game 3 Tier Handicap = 2, 2.25 , 2.5

Opening Odds for Total Goal = 2.75 => Bookie's Impression is Very Over. Partly due to 1.75 Asian handicap opened for Lille at opening odds.

Current odds = Lille giving 1.5 water money for give ball is lower than Under ball for Total Goal 3.

Total goal 3 = Super duper Over ball set by bookie for French Ligue 1 games.

If odds continues like this before KO, can bet on OVER 3!!! Minimum 3 I think since DURIANS SHOULD DROP AND MUST DROP!!!!!!

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Odds changed back to 1.75. Sad.

From my experience, Lille give ball looks good liaoz.....

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Think so too.

first time see french league over/under 3.0

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Brann	Handicap	Stromsgodset	Update Time
0.9	0/0.5	1	2012-04-15 23:12:37
0.92	0/0.5	0.98	2012-04-15 23:10:01
0.88	0/0.5	1.02	2012-04-15 23:07:04
0.92	0/0.5	0.98	2012-04-15 22:53:58
0.89	0/0.5	1.01	2012-04-15 22:48:25
0.91	0/0.5	0.99	2012-04-15 22:41:09
0.89	0/0.5	1.01	2012-04-15 22:35:54
0.89	0/0.5	1	2012-04-15 22:34:32
0.9	0/0.5	0.99	2012-04-15 22:22:13
0.91	0/0.5	0.98	2012-04-15 22:16:09
0.93	0/0.5	0.96	2012-04-15 22:14:30
0.94	0/0.5	0.95	2012-04-15 22:13:06
0.97	0/0.5	0.92	2012-04-15 22:11:45
0.99	0/0.5	0.9	2012-04-15 22:09:52
1	0/0.5	0.89	2012-04-15 22:07:50
0.96	0/0.5	0.93	2012-04-15 22:05:22
0.94	0/0.5	0.95	2012-04-15 22:03:54
0.93	0/0.5	0.96	2012-04-15 21:59:57
0.9	0/0.5	0.99	2012-04-15 21:55:37
0.92	0/0.5	0.97	2012-04-15 21:50:10
0.84	0/0.5	1.06	2012-04-15 21:33:11
0.82	0/0.5	1.08	2012-04-15 21:24:52
0.8	0/0.5	1.1	2012-04-15 21:21:04
0.82	0/0.5	1.08	2012-04-15 21:00:18
0.8	0/0.5	1.1	2012-04-15 20:56:44
0.82	0/0.5	1.08	2012-04-15 20:35:04
0.84	0/0.5	1.06	2012-04-15 20:28:31
0.84	0/0.5	1.05	2012-04-15 20:23:44
0.82	0/0.5	1.07	2012-04-15 20:20:15
0.84	0/0.5	1.05	2012-04-15 20:15:21
0.86	0/0.5	1.03	2012-04-15 20:04:53
0.9	0/0.5	0.99	2012-04-15 19:47:54
0.91	0/0.5	0.99	2012-04-15 19:37:30
0.89	0/0.5	1.01	2012-04-15 19:14:57
0.91	0/0.5	0.99	2012-04-15 19:08:37
0.89	0/0.5	1.01	2012-04-15 18:31:35
0.87	0/0.5	1.03	2012-04-15 18:17:15
0.89	0/0.5	1.01	2012-04-15 18:15:42
1.12	0.5	0.78	2012-04-15 18:06:32
1.01	0.5	0.89	2012-04-15 17:40:12
1.03	0.5	0.87	2012-04-15 16:33:18
1.03	0.5	0.86	2012-04-15 16:13:09
1.01	0.5	0.88	2012-04-15 15:49:01
0.97	0.5	0.92	2012-04-15 14:33:28
0.99	0.5	0.9	2012-04-15 14:20:24
0.97	0.5	0.92	2012-04-15 13:43:24
0.96	0.5	0.93	2012-04-15 13:42:04
0.98	0.5	0.91	2012-04-15 13:39:15
0.99	0.5	0.91	2012-04-15 13:38:22
0.97	0.5	0.93	2012-04-15 07:14:57
0.95	0.5	0.93	2012-04-11 04:35:08
0.97	0.5	0.91	2012-04-10 16:34:35(Initial)

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Time Updated

0.97	3	0.91	23:07 15/04/2012
0.98	3	0.9	22:56 15/04/2012
1.01	3	0.87	22:24 15/04/2012
0.98	3	0.9	22:17 15/04/2012
1	3	0.88	22:15 15/04/2012
0.97	3	0.91	22:14 15/04/2012
0.78	2.5/3	1.1	22:12 15/04/2012
0.79	2.5/3	1.09	20:08 15/04/2012
0.82	2.5/3	1.06	19:16 15/04/2012
0.79	2.5/3	1.09	17:51 15/04/2012
0.82	2.5/3	1.06	07:14 15/04/2012
0.82	2.5/3	1.04	17:14 11/04/2012
0.83	2.5/3	1.03	15:55 11/04/2012
0.85	2.5/3	1.01	16:34 10/04/2012(Initial)

Brann Home 3 Tier Handicap should be 2.5,2.75,3

Opening odds seemed to favour home team to win but good chance of over due to low water money of the normal total goal handicap.

Current odds asian handicap reduced with o/u handicap increased and now the water money of give is lower than under water money and over ball water money is higher than under water money.

Looking quite good for over. If odds maintain like this 5 mins before KO, even if there were changes in handicaps, I believe can still bet on over 3.

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16-Apr 2012 Monday 2:05 AM (4395 days ago)

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Lille overall win 4-1. Recommended to bet on give ball instead of over eventually due to last min handicap change. cleared.

Brann 1-2. It clearly shows the bookies' expectation is correct. opening odds 2.75 which is the normal o/u handicap almosted ended the game under 3. no win no lose.

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16-Apr 2012 Monday 2:47 AM (4395 days ago)

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Guillermo Brown	Handicap	Defensa Y Justicia	Update Time
1.1	+0	0.72	2012-04-16 01:53:37
1.15	+0	0.67	2012-04-15 21:30:03
1.2	+0	0.62	2012-04-15 21:21:22
1.25	+0	0.57	2012-04-15 21:11:51
1.2	+0	0.62	2012-04-15 21:08:43
1.15	+0	0.67	2012-04-15 17:24:44
1.1	+0	0.72	2012-04-15 12:54:14
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0.88	2/2.5	0.92	02:25 16/04/2012
0.82	2/2.5	0.98	22:00 15/04/2012
0.88	2/2.5	0.92	18:14 13/04/2012
0.95	2/2.5	0.85	19:15 12/04/2012(Initial)

Argentinian Home League Games 3 Tier Handicap are usually:

1.75, 2, 2.25

As you can see the opening odds fits the criteria fully but closing odds over ball water money becomes lower than under ball.

Never 3 out of 4 criteria met, I still think good chance for DURIANS TO DROP!

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alvinn Find all Topics Started by alvinn Find all Posts by alvinn Follow / Unfollow PM alvinn		16-Apr 2012 Monday 2:50 AM (4395 days ago)	#96
Active Member Posts: 49 Liked By: 12 Joined: 23 Mar 12 Tipsters Championship: Player has not started	bro, missed out on lille. You think French Le Championnat - Auxerre v Paris SG - 16 Apr 2012 03:00 will be a good pick? Or Bolivian Primera Division - LaPaz FC v The Strongest La Paz - 16 Apr 2012 03:30?
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Cerro Porteno	Handicap	Olimpia Asuncion	Update Time
0.68	0	1.14	2012-04-16 02:44:18
0.73	0	1.09	2012-04-16 02:35:59
0.68	0	1.14	2012-04-15 23:41:21
0.73	0	1.09	2012-04-15 21:08:27
0.68	0	1.14	2012-04-15 19:57:37
0.73	0	1.09	2012-04-15 19:41:02
0.68	0	1.14	2012-04-15 19:38:09
0.91	+0	0.91	2012-04-15 18:36:49
0.94	+0	0.88	2012-04-15 18:31:52
1.04	+0	0.78	2012-04-15 17:27:54
0.99	+0	0.83	2012-04-13 23:14:35(Initial)

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0.83	2.5	0.97	00:31 16/04/2012
0.89	2.5	0.91	20:56 15/04/2012
0.95	2.5	0.85	23:14 13/04/2012(Initial)

Opening odds fit all the criteria. 3 Tier Handicap for Cerro at home should be 2, 2.25, 2.5

Now level water money swing to another side but it doesnt matter because it is level ball but over ball water money is lower than under ball.

I strongly believe can still over and I can confirm minimum 2 goals in this game from experience.

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quote originally posted by alvinn:

bro, missed out on lille. You think French Le Championnat - Auxerre v Paris SG - 16 Apr 2012 03:00 will be a good pick? Or Bolivian Primera Division - LaPaz FC v The Strongest La Paz - 16 Apr 2012 03:30?

PSG inital odds was 0.25 win 80+ now rose to 0.5 win 80+

when betting over never try to bet over when the favourites rise handicap. It might mean the non favourites unlikely to attack and play defensive.

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03:30 ! Live	La Paz FC The Strongest Draw		3.200			1.05		3.0	o	0.96		o	0.96		3.750			0.64		1-1.5	o	1.00
			2.000		0-0.5	0.79			u	0.86		e	0.90		2.690		0-0.5	1.25			u	0.82

As req by Alvin, I will do analysis on this game and also because I do smell money like u Alvin. Well done.

Ok. The initial odds to current odds flowchart isnt updated completely but the odds have been quite stagnant and little movement.

La Paz home games 3 Tier handicap:

2.5, 2.75 , 3

This is a perfect condition for betting over. All given criterias are met. DURIANS MUST DROP LAH! =)))

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