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Hi Brothers of Casino, Soccer betting,

Let me share with you a real-life experience learnt after gambling in Casino and Soccer for more than 15 years. Do not wack me if you tink 15 years its too short of an experience to share..There are many newbies here and potential money targets for Casinos and Bookies. I quitted and thus I shared. Dun fall for it.

Casino
1) Foundamental Principle - Ask yourself your motive for stepping in? Entertainment? Or Realli need $$?
Entertainment, then set a limit with yourself and is possible go in with a fren or spouse/gf. Tell them no matter wat, pull you out after certain amount of loses. Trust me, you wun go out yourself if you lose or win. We do not have many disciplined gamblers in the world.Realli need $$? Then go to find a part-time job. There are professional gamblers that do not need to work but can gamble FT and suvive. They are professional, we are not. The more you gamble, the more u lose.
Morale of the story, gambling for entertainment with money you can afford to lose, then go. If not, dun waste $ and time. Trust me.

2)Casino betting are more complex are you are inside their den unlike online betting you are inside your own den. Casino is built without window. Gods know whether you stay for how many hours cuz you cant see the light outside. Clocks are strategically located that you cant realli see.
Morale of the story, you are in tiger dens. You already lost without betting.

3) Talk about luck. Some dealers like us punters went thru low form and keep losing, but Casino is smart, they will change dealers as soon as they know that this dealer did not bath flower water. But punters, we cant change ourselves. Except to keep betting and keep losing. Roll and Roll, before you wake up, its too late.
Morale of the story, they have sufficient manpower and $$ to tahan loses, punter dun have.

4)Talk about eerie example and cannot be too "TEE KI" (Stubborn Teeth). I share with you. Touchscreen Routtele Game, almost 20 times all roll RED. I chase bet in buying BLACK since the 10th times from $100 to $200 then onwards. When I max out my credit in after 20th time, I try to slot in the money to chase bet in BLACK for 21th row, the machine keep rejecting my money. Then finally times up and closed bet without me betting any money.Finally BLACK open.
Moral of the story, Nv TEE KI in casino, anything can happen. Dun keep thinkin this time sure open SMALL since continuous 5 times open BIG. Sometimes statistic dun work. And 1 time its enough to kill you.

5)Casino employed SWAY people to work. WHy? Sometimes you sit in a table of card games. YOu are winning few hands and then suddenly a unknown man/woman came in and place her mini bet on your chips. You might not be in time to stop her or tell her off. And then your luck start to twist and slowly you lose what you won in a short period of time. If such things happen, either stop her from following your bet, or you might as well leave the table. Trust me, once leave and come back to the same table, she will follow you again. Morale of the story, swayness will follow. Stop if you tink its spreading.

6)Casino, open 24 hours. We human can also dun sleep for 24 hours or even 48 hours when comes to gambling. But our brain canot function well without sleep. When brain cannot tink well, u lose focus, u become emotional, you will chase losing and bet unwisely. This is where you will throw your hard-earned money to them.
Morale of the story, bet for few hours, and have a good rest. Not just walk around the table, this is not resting as your mind is still tinking what to bet later. Go for a walk OUTSIDE, take a short nap, enjoy your winning with a good meal etc. No wonder Genting Coach reaches at 3am and check-up only at 12pm. 3am-12pm its a good time to lose money when u dun have enough sleep after a long journey.

I will be back with more sharing on Soccer betting.




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Bro, thanks for sharing.

Any sharing for soccer betting? Thank you!




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Thanks for your sharing...

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quote originally posted by Infantry:

Hi Brothers of Casino, Soccer betting,

Let me share with you a real-life experience learnt after gambling in Casino and Soccer for more than 15 years. Do not wack me if you tink 15 years its too short of an experience to share..There are many newbies here and potential money targets for Casinos and Bookies. I quitted and thus I shared. Dun fall for it.

Casino
1) Foundamental Principle - Ask yourself your motive for stepping in? Entertainment? Or Realli need $$?
Entertainment, then set a limit with yourself and is possible go in with a fren or spouse/gf. Tell them no matter wat, pull you out after certain amount of loses. Trust me, you wun go out yourself if you lose or win. We do not have many disciplined gamblers in the world.Realli need $$? Then go to find a part-time job. There are professional gamblers that do not need to work but can gamble FT and suvive. They are professional, we are not. The more you gamble, the more u lose.
Morale of the story, gambling for entertainment with money you can afford to lose, then go. If not, dun waste $ and time. Trust me.
>>> i saw some china rich men gals in genting malaysia...they played for entertainment...wana show ppl they can "see" what's coming next...guess what? 2 of them lost 200+k in about 2 weeks...

2)Casino betting are more complex are you are inside their den unlike online betting you are inside your own den. Casino is built without window. Gods know whether you stay for how many hours cuz you cant see the light outside. Clocks are strategically located that you cant realli see.
Morale of the story, you are in tiger dens. You already lost without betting.
>>> discipline is needed..but 98% of the time we do not have discipline due to emotion...the desire to chase back lost almost as soon as we lost our bets...

3) Talk about luck. Some dealers like us punters went thru low form and keep losing, but Casino is smart, they will change dealers as soon as they know that this dealer did not bath flower water. But punters, we cant change ourselves. Except to keep betting and keep losing. Roll and Roll, before you wake up, its too late.
Morale of the story, they have sufficient manpower and $$ to tahan loses, punter dun have.
>>> luck plays 98%, 2% with past experince...

4)Talk about eerie example and cannot be too "TEE KI" (Stubborn Teeth). I share with you. Touchscreen Routtele Game, almost 20 times all roll RED. I chase bet in buying BLACK since the 10th times from $100 to $200 then onwards. When I max out my credit in after 20th time, I try to slot in the money to chase bet in BLACK for 21th row, the machine keep rejecting my money. Then finally times up and closed bet without me betting any money.Finally BLACK open.
Moral of the story, Nv TEE KI in casino, anything can happen. Dun keep thinkin this time sure open SMALL since continuous 5 times open BIG. Sometimes statistic dun work. And 1 time its enough to kill you.
>>> i have seen a long L shaped (long down) 15times in a row...yup, dont bet opposite thinking it is not possible to open "big" or "small" continuously...go with the flow wisely...

5)Casino employed SWAY people to work. WHy? Sometimes you sit in a table of card games. YOu are winning few hands and then suddenly a unknown man/woman came in and place her mini bet on your chips. You might not be in time to stop her or tell her off. And then your luck start to twist and slowly you lose what you won in a short period of time. If such things happen, either stop her from following your bet, or you might as well leave the table. Trust me, once leave and come back to the same table, she will follow you again. Morale of the story, swayness will follow. Stop if you tink its spreading.
>>> this one i am not sure...i didnt encounter this...may be i did not win much...not important people Wink

6)Casino, open 24 hours. We human can also dun sleep for 24 hours or even 48 hours when comes to gambling. But our brain canot function well without sleep. When brain cannot tink well, u lose focus, u become emotional, you will chase losing and bet unwisely. This is where you will throw your hard-earned money to them.
Morale of the story, bet for few hours, and have a good rest. Not just walk around the table, this is not resting as your mind is still tinking what to bet later. Go for a walk OUTSIDE, take a short nap, enjoy your winning with a good meal etc. No wonder Genting Coach reaches at 3am and check-up only at 12pm. 3am-12pm its a good time to lose money when u dun have enough sleep after a long journey.
>>>agreed...we need good rest so that our brain can function better...do break time between wins or losts...when luck is not on our side, go out for a break and come back later...casino opens 24hours a day...

I will be back with more sharing on Soccer betting.




>>>just to share my 2012 casino visits:
i went to genting malaysia on 17/1 until 21/1
i won first 2.2k...that was the max profit i got...
then i lost that profit...
again, i repeated my mistake (emotional bet)
i lost my next 15k in one day and left with last 3K in my hand...
somehow luck came back after i went out for a brief "rest"...
i rolled back to 7k in my hand and went to rest...
i told myself then i needed to do break times between wins/loses...
the next morning i managed to rolled further to 12.5k in my hand...still 5.5k to go
finally i got back my capital 18k on saturday noon 21/1...
but greed clawed back and i wanted to win some money before i go back for cny...
my money on hand was between 16k to 17.5k...(losing 2k to 0.5k)
somehow still luck came back to me on that late afternoon...
i got back my capital again and managed to win 1.5k (money on hand 19.5k)
after deducting hotel fees and transportation fees, i think i made 1k profit...
managing to come back like this has made me thought of visiting casino again...

i visited casino again on 25/1 for less than 3hours and won 1k after deducting "rest" in room and transportation...this time i was actually impatient...due to many people in casino and it took quite long to open a game (big and small)...my form/luck in that day was so so actually...win lose win lose...
i won that 1k via one big bet 1.4k (i changed 1.4k on that day)

this second wins has made me thinking more and more of visiting casino to win $ (wrong thinking actually)
i went there again on 27/1
with 2 wins, i started to play with patient and "whack" only when i think it is going to open what i thought...luck was again the prime factor...i managed to rolled till max +4.5k...greed again crept in and i lost my next 2 bets (1k each)...somehow i managed to stay clear and told myself 2.5k win is also a win...so i went back...partly also because i needed to catch a flight later in the morning...

making 3 wins has made me thinking of easy money more often...
after reaching guangzhou, i decided to visit macau this time around...
i told myself i only wanted to win my flight money...
i changed 6k HKD...
macau grand lisboa is different from genting...minimum bet for banker player is 1k/2k/3k...i chose the 1k table and played...won the first 2 times...+1950...i told myself i needed 3k and will leave then...
somehow, it was difficult to garner another 1k...i lost my profit...so now back to zero profit...
i changed to big and small...at one point, i saw a trend that is going to open big due to long down small (many small)i put 5k and left 1k in my hand...i told myself if big then i will go...greed was there because in the first place i told myself i wanted 3k profit if possible...
somehow it open "big" but tripple 4! shit...no luck...
i changed another 4.5k because with 1k it is almost not possible to chase back...
luck was again the prime factor...i went back to banker player...and i got my 4k back in one shot...
NOTE: that game was crucial...if i lost, i would say it is impossible to chase back due to lost was already 9k HKD!i stayed for another 2 hours and managed to win 3.8K HKD...i put the last 800 thinking to roll more...but i lost that game...with +3k HKD, i went back to rest...

Morale of the story:
LUCK really plays a big part in our gambling...
had i lost the last 3k on 17/1, i would not go to gamble again during this cny season...
had i lost the 1.4k on 25/1, i might lose more on that day...
had i lost the 4k after i lost 5k, i might resort to chasing my lost and bet emotional...
LUCK is key...when we are winning, always remember a win is a win is vital...
when we are losing, always remember next day could be a better day to bet is vital (so that we dont lose more on the same day)

Anyway, you made a wise choice to quit betting...
i hope you can quit for good...and never come back for betting...
Good luck to your decision! Smile




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quote originally posted by peacenjoy:

>>>just to share my 2012 casino visits:
i went to genting malaysia on 17/1 until 21/1
i won first 2.2k...that was the max profit i got...
then i lost that profit...
again, i repeated my mistake (emotional bet)
i lost my next 15k in one day and left with last 3K in my hand...
somehow luck came back after i went out for a brief "rest"...
i rolled back to 7k in my hand and went to rest...
i told myself then i needed to do break times between wins/loses...
the next morning i managed to rolled further to 12.5k in my hand...still 5.5k to go
finally i got back my capital 18k on saturday noon 21/1...
but greed clawed back and i wanted to win some money before i go back for cny...
my money on hand was between 16k to 17.5k...(losing 2k to 0.5k)
somehow still luck came back to me on that late afternoon...
i got back my capital again and managed to win 1.5k (money on hand 19.5k)
after deducting hotel fees and transportation fees, i think i made 1k profit...
managing to come back like this has made me thought of visiting casino again...

i visited casino again on 25/1 for less than 3hours and won 1k after deducting "rest" in room and transportation...this time i was actually impatient...due to many people in casino and it took quite long to open a game (big and small)...my form/luck in that day was so so actually...win lose win lose...
i won that 1k via one big bet 1.4k (i changed 1.4k on that day)

this second wins has made me thinking more and more of visiting casino to win $ (wrong thinking actually)
i went there again on 27/1
with 2 wins, i started to play with patient and "whack" only when i think it is going to open what i thought...luck was again the prime factor...i managed to rolled till max +4.5k...greed again crept in and i lost my next 2 bets (1k each)...somehow i managed to stay clear and told myself 2.5k win is also a win...so i went back...partly also because i needed to catch a flight later in the morning...

making 3 wins has made me thinking of easy money more often...
after reaching guangzhou, i decided to visit macau this time around...
i told myself i only wanted to win my flight money...
i changed 6k HKD...
macau grand lisboa is different from genting...minimum bet for banker player is 1k/2k/3k...i chose the 1k table and played...won the first 2 times...+1950...i told myself i needed 3k and will leave then...
somehow, it was difficult to garner another 1k...i lost my profit...so now back to zero profit...
i changed to big and small...at one point, i saw a trend that is going to open big due to long down small (many small)i put 5k and left 1k in my hand...i told myself if big then i will go...greed was there because in the first place i told myself i wanted 3k profit if possible...
somehow it open "big" but tripple 4! shit...no luck...
i changed another 4.5k because with 1k it is almost not possible to chase back...
luck was again the prime factor...i went back to banker player...and i got my 4k back in one shot...
NOTE: that game was crucial...if i lost, i would say it is impossible to chase back due to lost was already 9k HKD!i stayed for another 2 hours and managed to win 3.8K HKD...i put the last 800 thinking to roll more...but i lost that game...with +3k HKD, i went back to rest...

Morale of the story:
LUCK really plays a big part in our gambling...
had i lost the last 3k on 17/1, i would not go to gamble again during this cny season...
had i lost the 1.4k on 25/1, i might lose more on that day...
had i lost the 4k after i lost 5k, i might resort to chasing my lost and bet emotional...
LUCK is key...when we are winning, always remember a win is a win is vital...
when we are losing, always remember next day could be a better day to bet is vital (so that we dont lose more on the same day)

Anyway, you made a wise choice to quit betting...
i hope you can quit for good...and never come back for betting...
Good luck to your decision!




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quote originally posted by Muthu888:

U GAMBLE LIKE BUYING 4D OR TOTO .




somehow it worked this time.. Wink




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quote originally posted by peacenjoy:

somehow it worked this time..




CAN U TRY A FEW MORE TIMES USING SAME METHOD .THE RESULT WILL BE BETTER THAN SEX



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CAN U TRY A FEW MORE TIMES USING SAME METHOD .THE RESULT WILL BE BETTER THAN SEX




better chill down and enjoy my life without stress... Playful Wink
as luck is not always on one's side...




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Point# 5 is never a tactic I think Casino would employ.....not until I saw these jokers.

It is a very professional engagement with 3rd party to carry out the task, I believe.
Whether these jokers will be dead like a stray dog one day they dont even know, I guess.

I wish them the casino good luck!



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quote originally posted by Infantry:

Hi Brothers of Casino, Soccer betting,

Let me share with you a real-life experience learnt after gambling in Casino and Soccer for more than 15 years. Do not wack me if you tink 15 years its too short of an experience to share..There are many newbies here and potential money targets for Casinos and Bookies. I quitted and thus I shared. Dun fall for it.

Casino
1) Foundamental Principle - Ask yourself your motive for stepping in? Entertainment? Or Realli need $$?
Entertainment, then set a limit with yourself and is possible go in with a fren or spouse/gf. Tell them no matter wat, pull you out after certain amount of loses. Trust me, you wun go out yourself if you lose or win. We do not have many disciplined gamblers in the world.Realli need $$? Then go to find a part-time job. There are professional gamblers that do not need to work but can gamble FT and suvive. They are professional, we are not. The more you gamble, the more u lose.
Morale of the story, gambling for entertainment with money you can afford to lose, then go. If not, dun waste $ and time. Trust me.

2)Casino betting are more complex are you are inside their den unlike online betting you are inside your own den. Casino is built without window. Gods know whether you stay for how many hours cuz you cant see the light outside. Clocks are strategically located that you cant realli see.
Morale of the story, you are in tiger dens. You already lost without betting.

3) Talk about luck. Some dealers like us punters went thru low form and keep losing, but Casino is smart, they will change dealers as soon as they know that this dealer did not bath flower water. But punters, we cant change ourselves. Except to keep betting and keep losing. Roll and Roll, before you wake up, its too late.
Morale of the story, they have sufficient manpower and $$ to tahan loses, punter dun have.

4)Talk about eerie example and cannot be too "TEE KI" (Stubborn Teeth). I share with you. Touchscreen Routtele Game, almost 20 times all roll RED. I chase bet in buying BLACK since the 10th times from $100 to $200 then onwards. When I max out my credit in after 20th time, I try to slot in the money to chase bet in BLACK for 21th row, the machine keep rejecting my money. Then finally times up and closed bet without me betting any money.Finally BLACK open.
Moral of the story, Nv TEE KI in casino, anything can happen. Dun keep thinkin this time sure open SMALL since continuous 5 times open BIG. Sometimes statistic dun work. And 1 time its enough to kill you.

5)Casino employed SWAY people to work. WHy? Sometimes you sit in a table of card games. YOu are winning few hands and then suddenly a unknown man/woman came in and place her mini bet on your chips. You might not be in time to stop her or tell her off. And then your luck start to twist and slowly you lose what you won in a short period of time. If such things happen, either stop her from following your bet, or you might as well leave the table. Trust me, once leave and come back to the same table, she will follow you again. Morale of the story, swayness will follow. Stop if you tink its spreading.

6)Casino, open 24 hours. We human can also dun sleep for 24 hours or even 48 hours when comes to gambling. But our brain canot function well without sleep. When brain cannot tink well, u lose focus, u become emotional, you will chase losing and bet unwisely. This is where you will throw your hard-earned money to them.
Morale of the story, bet for few hours, and have a good rest. Not just walk around the table, this is not resting as your mind is still tinking what to bet later. Go for a walk OUTSIDE, take a short nap, enjoy your winning with a good meal etc. No wonder Genting Coach reaches at 3am and check-up only at 12pm. 3am-12pm its a good time to lose money when u dun have enough sleep after a long journey.

I will be back with more sharing on Soccer betting.




Fully agreed on point no. 5, i thought i'm being sensitive....now it seems its true. Scared Scared



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03-May 2012 Thursday 11:34 PM (4377 days ago)            #18
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04-May 2012 Friday 4:16 AM (4377 days ago)            #19
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quote originally posted by Infantry:

Hi Brothers of Casino, Soccer betting,

Let me share with you a real-life experience learnt after gambling in Casino and Soccer for more than 15 years. Do not wack me if you tink 15 years its too short of an experience to share..There are many newbies here and potential money targets for Casinos and Bookies. I quitted and thus I shared. Dun fall for it.

Casino
1) Foundamental Principle - Ask yourself your motive for stepping in? Entertainment? Or Realli need $$?
Entertainment, then set a limit with yourself and is possible go in with a fren or spouse/gf. Tell them no matter wat, pull you out after certain amount of loses. Trust me, you wun go out yourself if you lose or win. We do not have many disciplined gamblers in the world.Realli need $$? Then go to find a part-time job. There are professional gamblers that do not need to work but can gamble FT and suvive. They are professional, we are not. The more you gamble, the more u lose.
Morale of the story, gambling for entertainment with money you can afford to lose, then go. If not, dun waste $ and time. Trust me.

2)Casino betting are more complex are you are inside their den unlike online betting you are inside your own den. Casino is built without window. Gods know whether you stay for how many hours cuz you cant see the light outside. Clocks are strategically located that you cant realli see.
Morale of the story, you are in tiger dens. You already lost without betting.

3) Talk about luck. Some dealers like us punters went thru low form and keep losing, but Casino is smart, they will change dealers as soon as they know that this dealer did not bath flower water. But punters, we cant change ourselves. Except to keep betting and keep losing. Roll and Roll, before you wake up, its too late.
Morale of the story, they have sufficient manpower and $$ to tahan loses, punter dun have.

4)Talk about eerie example and cannot be too "TEE KI" (Stubborn Teeth). I share with you. Touchscreen Routtele Game, almost 20 times all roll RED. I chase bet in buying BLACK since the 10th times from $100 to $200 then onwards. When I max out my credit in after 20th time, I try to slot in the money to chase bet in BLACK for 21th row, the machine keep rejecting my money. Then finally times up and closed bet without me betting any money.Finally BLACK open.
Moral of the story, Nv TEE KI in casino, anything can happen. Dun keep thinkin this time sure open SMALL since continuous 5 times open BIG. Sometimes statistic dun work. And 1 time its enough to kill you.

5)Casino employed SWAY people to work. WHy? Sometimes you sit in a table of card games. YOu are winning few hands and then suddenly a unknown man/woman came in and place her mini bet on your chips. You might not be in time to stop her or tell her off. And then your luck start to twist and slowly you lose what you won in a short period of time. If such things happen, either stop her from following your bet, or you might as well leave the table. Trust me, once leave and come back to the same table, she will follow you again. Morale of the story, swayness will follow. Stop if you tink its spreading.

6)Casino, open 24 hours. We human can also dun sleep for 24 hours or even 48 hours when comes to gambling. But our brain canot function well without sleep. When brain cannot tink well, u lose focus, u become emotional, you will chase losing and bet unwisely. This is where you will throw your hard-earned money to them.
Morale of the story, bet for few hours, and have a good rest. Not just walk around the table, this is not resting as your mind is still tinking what to bet later. Go for a walk OUTSIDE, take a short nap, enjoy your winning with a good meal etc. No wonder Genting Coach reaches at 3am and check-up only at 12pm. 3am-12pm its a good time to lose money when u dun have enough sleep after a long journey.

I will be back with more sharing on Soccer betting.



My father is a gambler for 40 years. He went to most casinos u can ever think of and sleeps frequently in casinos. He told me he has never seen any true winners. Some win and run but many came back and lost.

I asked him about professional gamblers, he said besides poker many of these so call professional gamblers 'bribed' the dealers in the past.

In general, he told me in gambling, you are always betting against uncertainty and the odds are always against u. Unless u can outsmart and overcome, if not, it is always a losing battle. slowly but surely.


This message was edited by KlavierJoenessGavin on 04-May-2012 @ 4:17 AM



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